Niven[4] [Archive] - UnrealTournament Siege, Bunnytrack, Combogib, Instagib, UT99, UT4 clan & Server Discussion

(bO.o)b

02-26-2014, 01:35 AM

Fuck you guys. The last thread i posted was 2 pages regarding the map and 5 pages trashing my effort, or questioning the validity of certain maps, or the effectiveness of Team Balance. Nobody takes a post seriously, unless they got banned and they want their excuse to be taken seriously.

Seriously :cow: If youre not posting to help just STFU and/or GFTO Noob.

NIVEN 4 Update:

Here's how the bases fit.

http://i61.tinypic.com/28jjuom.gif

Yes I see the fuckin $wast!k@. but in order to keep as many original dimensions as possible, that's the way the bases fit, so STFU and deal with it. To prove I'm not anti-Semitic, someone make a 6-Way version of Siege and I'll make a Jewish version of this map! :cow:

I left the Default Texture to show new paths. Absolutely Nothing has changed as far as leaving your base, going up that ramp, then to your left you are above an enemy base. Vice Versa. Also, Any Team can get above any other team's door with this configuration.

You can also defend your own door going up the same ramp.

HIGOR your precious Fans are in tact for every team, but the wall thickness may have to be adjusted. I removed redundant fans.

To the rest of you people... The only real difference is that getting from Blue Base to Red Base, you must swim twice as far. No big deal. So dont whine.

I have not decided what Trick will be required to get the Mid-Weapon but I assure you it wont be Camp and run.

DON'T EDIT MY POLL WANKMASTERS

Moskva

02-26-2014, 02:11 AM

Looking forward to play it, any release date in mind?

(bO.o)b

02-26-2014, 02:15 AM

http://i61.tinypic.com/2uhwawi.jpg

Not nearly done with textures. Architecture final. just decorating now

Release ASAP

Booty

02-26-2014, 02:33 AM

To prove I'm not anti-Semitic, someone make a 6-Way version of Siege and I'll make a Jewish version of this map!

HAHAHA

Boobie you are doing a good job. Looking forward to it. Milk for everyone on me!

SAM

02-26-2014, 05:10 AM

I like your choice of firm words. Well done.

HIGH+CAMILO

02-26-2014, 06:28 AM

I would like to test this before gets released.

|uK|chiseller

02-26-2014, 10:55 AM

someone is a bit edgy

terminator

02-26-2014, 11:24 AM

I think poll votes says for itself :)

|uK|fleecey

02-26-2014, 11:27 AM

I wanna play it!

Stormy

02-26-2014, 11:32 AM

Im not a Niven fan but the server need more new maps, so why not test it until a week and then vote

Higor

02-26-2014, 01:00 PM

No problem with fans, if there's a way to enter those, I WILL FIND IT!

Now I got inspired to make Clarion 4...
Was thinking with something between classic and ultimate...

Banny

02-26-2014, 01:22 PM

Okay so as 4 way topic is hot these days, why not SG-Restart[4]?

(bO.o)b

02-26-2014, 01:32 PM

Okay so as 4 way topic is hot these days, why not SG-Restart[4]?

Start your own topic. This thread is about Niven[4] ONLY and/or showering me with praise and compliments. :cow:

--- Updated ---

No problem with fans, if there's a way to enter those, I WILL FIND IT!

Now I got inspired to make Clarion 4...
Was thinking with something between classic and ultimate...

Every Fan should have the same vulnerability. I wont let one team have that advantage alone.

|uK|kenneth

02-26-2014, 01:37 PM

someone make a 6-Way version of Siege

omg that's something to think about.

i like the roof in the core room.

--- Updated ---

Clarion 4...

H0w ab0ut 4way Simplex?

Higor

02-26-2014, 01:41 PM

Okay so as 4 way topic is hot these days, why not SG-Restart[4]?
Wait... have you been lurking the IRC channel Disturbed and I discussed this on?

|uK|Rays

02-26-2014, 05:03 PM

H0w ab0ut 4way Simplex?

It's officially time to jump off a bridge Kenneth, leave humanity behind breh.

terminator

02-26-2014, 05:20 PM

It's officially time to jump off a bridge Kenneth, leave humanity behind breh.
Just wanted to come up with sth simillar but... it would be look as i'm dissin too much and too often :((

Disturbed//*.

02-26-2014, 07:45 PM

are you reTexturing?

(bO.o)b

02-26-2014, 09:34 PM

are you reTexturing?

everything

Disturbed//*.

02-27-2014, 12:02 AM

So is this a renovation with 2 new bases?

(bO.o)b

02-27-2014, 01:58 AM

http://i59.tinypic.com/2m452f8.jpg
http://i62.tinypic.com/2eehe0k.jpg
http://i60.tinypic.com/2pqn7zo.jpg
http://i61.tinypic.com/11sk1t3.jpg
http://i59.tinypic.com/e5mmc5.jpg
http://i62.tinypic.com/20kzksh.jpg
http://i57.tinypic.com/33esch1.jpg

ERR... HOW'D THAT GET IN THERE?!

http://i57.tinypic.com/sq1nc0.jpg

Camilo brought up testing. I dont anticipate the need for any real testing. So far the map plays exactly as you would expect, just with 4 bases.

I only need Higor to look for anything I might have missed. Theoretically, we can be playing this within a few days if all goes right.

BTW. Can you say Translucent Doors?

Chamberly

02-27-2014, 05:57 AM

#2 and #5 looks a bit too much on the bright colors imo.

don't like the last pic, all that light flare...

but it may look different on my graphic setting...

Shotman

02-27-2014, 10:46 AM

those textures are really bothering me not lining up at all. This is probably the worst texturing I have seen in years 1/10.

Chamberly disabling dynamic lighting would do the trick but concerned of other players that do not know how to do it. Which will get annoying for them

(bO.o)b

02-27-2014, 11:10 AM

those textures are really bothering me not lining up at all. This is probably the worst texturing I have seen in years 1/10.

What isnt lining up?

If you can show me how to texture this map to your liking while keeping the original architecture, be my guest. Make a better Niven[4] and show me!

If you can only say "Oh i dont make maps" then you have no business talking.

Chamberly those lens flares are Stock on the original map. All I did was give them base colors.

Banny

02-27-2014, 11:16 AM

Is this Niven[4]-Drunk? Messed up textures

|uK|kenneth

02-27-2014, 11:24 AM

i would give it a shot at the textures.
theres 2 things that can happen

1: people will like it and play it each time its avaible
2: or its gonna end up like fluks map "simplex".

(bO.o)b

02-27-2014, 11:28 AM

Is this Niven[4]-Drunk? Messed up textures

No it's Niven 4 'showing progress'.

I'm going to make it look exactly how 'I' want.

'I' am doing this for 'Me'. (The fact that uK will get to use this map is a side-note.)

Your criticism(s) will have Zero effect on how I intend to apply textures to this map. You dont like my texture use? Feel free to spend 'your' time making 'your' version of how it should be. K? Thnx.

Shotman

02-27-2014, 11:29 AM

|uK|kenneth

02-27-2014, 11:32 AM

relax dude...

(bO.o)b

02-27-2014, 12:10 PM

i have map since 2005. I'm sorry if you can't see the mislining textures then i won't help since your too ignorant to see it. It is very obvious, and stop using the excuse of "make your own map" because it's very nooby thing to say when people are actually trying to help you make it better. It SHOULD be tested to see any bugs or things that can be released. Also i can do a 4 way map only if i had time but i don't. I have too much going for me to do a map for UT.

Esse i dont care how long you been mapping. I been mapping since 2007. So fucking what?

Look noob, how about you wait till I am 'finished' with the map before you whine?

If you dont like my textures, make Niven 4 yourself. Show me what an awesome map maker you are! lol

Testing? There's nothing to test.

I Duplicated Niven's brushes, start locations, pathnodes and everything on the original Niven map. I'm testing as I go. There are no issues.

I dont care if you dont like what you see! lol

http://i60.tinypic.com/10gej2e.jpg

--- Updated ---

'I' am doing this for 'Me'. (The fact that uK will get to use this map is a side-note.)

^ This

UT-Sniper-SJA94

02-27-2014, 12:44 PM

don't like the last pic, all that light flare...

but it may look different on my graphic setting...

Disable Coronas in the render settings will fix it (UnrealTournament.ini).

Danaaaaa

02-27-2014, 01:30 PM

Looking forward to play it

1582

HIGH[+]AdRiaN

02-27-2014, 01:32 PM

look at poll results
2 ways niven is only spam around the door, 4 ways will be further

Moskva

02-27-2014, 03:03 PM

Thats 2 way niven, but think about it, 4 way niven = less players on team = less spammers at the door = easier to go in

terminator

02-27-2014, 03:23 PM

Moskva u may be right..but then..think about 4 way Coret map? Have u ever played it..at beginning it's ok..removing one team..maybe 2..then when it comes to only 2 teams on such map..imagine? All fortifications already built up, 12 players on each side. I was there when coret[4] went 5 hours.
It will last forever! That's why map sucks... i don't think many people like to play overtime...those who vote for such often leaves after map goes overtime (saying often,not everyone).
As i repeat, poll says for itself.
Full respect for making new map...but Niven imo needs whole lot of reconstruction to become fun.

(bO.o)b

02-27-2014, 05:28 PM

but Niven imo needs whole lot of reconstruction to become fun.
Have fun making it :P

Disturbed//*.

02-27-2014, 06:18 PM

Let's see your maps shotman

terminator

02-27-2014, 06:55 PM

I won't make it because it will obviously never replace a real Niven. Fluke tried with simplex...look what happened (though his first version of simplex was imo the best one, and even this one is better than the one being played)

Booty

02-28-2014, 02:30 AM

Skilled players can finish any map in regular time. The overtime is problem when there are bunch of noobs on the server. Ask Camilo and his favorite tool - invis.

|uK|fleecey

02-28-2014, 11:13 AM

Skilled players can finish any map in regular time. The overtime is problem when there are bunch of noobs on the server. Ask Camilo and his favorite tool - invis.

Whats wrong with invis? Everyone have their techniques of nuking or whatever...

|uK|kenneth

02-28-2014, 01:00 PM

Camilo and his favorite tool - invis.
noob!

(bO.o)b

02-28-2014, 01:14 PM

http://i61.tinypic.com/34rbwd5.gif

What are LiftExits? What would happen if I dont include them on the map?

(bO.o)b

02-28-2014, 01:29 PM

Oh and since my Texturing is so Hideous I've decided to not to use lights on the map so people dont call it ugly and make me cry. :(

http://i60.tinypic.com/2ceneyw.jpg

LOL JK! Here's how it's gonna be:

http://i59.tinypic.com/15q5kdd.jpg

http://i60.tinypic.com/5v3i4l.jpg

|uK|kenneth

02-28-2014, 01:45 PM

the inside looks good but really need lights ouside.

HIGH[+]AdRiaN

02-28-2014, 03:05 PM

http://img706.imageshack.us/img706/7350/fdrl.png

HIGH+CAMILO

02-28-2014, 04:00 PM

Skilled players can finish any map in regular time. The overtime is problem when there are bunch of noobs on the server. Ask Camilo and his favorite tool - invis.

INVIS FTW!! People complain about invis. Trans is way more overpowered.

--- Updated ---

Whats wrong with invis? Everyone have their techniques of nuking or whatever...

OFC Fleece!!

Haters gonna hate.

--- Updated ---

noob!

How many times did u killed me nuking invis? NONE.

Why am i waisting my time with an EX siege player.

|uK|kenneth

02-28-2014, 04:07 PM

How many times did u killed me nuking invis? NONE.

i could be wrong but i really think i killed your nuke atleast once

but whatever lets get back on topic.

Disturbed//*.

02-28-2014, 07:36 PM

I really like maps that don't have lights. For example clarion! I love that version. . . Should add it

(bO.o)b

02-28-2014, 08:03 PM

Almost Done! Chamberly can we test this weekend? :D

http://i57.tinypic.com/2a8rnut.jpg

Chamberly

02-28-2014, 08:19 PM

Holy meow... that looks nice for the top view! Make a larger, HD quality please, for background wallpaper ROFL.

Yes, we can do that!

(bO.o)b

03-01-2014, 12:51 AM

I wasnt joking when i said 'Translucent Doors' :cow:

http://i58.tinypic.com/2yxqerb.jpg

http://i61.tinypic.com/3523eo1.jpg

Disturbed//*.

03-01-2014, 01:28 AM

Hey that'd be cool!! I like that!

~~D4RR3N~~

03-01-2014, 07:22 PM

I Didn't 'Make' NIVEN, I Just Made It Last Forever.
Hahahahahahahahhahhahah

(bO.o)b

03-02-2014, 02:04 AM

I'm pretty much done. I'm gonna sleep on it and look at it in the morning.
http://i62.tinypic.com/24euhag.jpg

http://i60.tinypic.com/2yuzzfb.jpg

http://i57.tinypic.com/28lcndi.jpg

http://i59.tinypic.com/2ihwec9.jpg

http://i59.tinypic.com/28tg7y8.jpg

http://i62.tinypic.com/34ry3ja.jpg

http://i57.tinypic.com/53ky6w.jpg

http://i61.tinypic.com/35m37uu.jpg

http://i62.tinypic.com/21o9d0w.jpg

http://i58.tinypic.com/v8lyfa.jpg

http://i60.tinypic.com/261lnqw.jpg

Higor and Chamberly i'll be able to send it to you sometime tomorrow for testing :D

Disturbed//*.

03-02-2014, 06:34 AM

Looks good! Even a new sky box! ?

(bO.o)b

03-02-2014, 09:57 AM

Looks good! Even a new sky box! ?

No the same skybox, except now it WORKS. The version of Niven we play is broken for some reason.

The real skybox has a moon going around a planet with a spaceship and a small spaceship that flies away. You can see the planet and moon rotate and every few minutes a small spaceship flies away.

I hate the space texture but the moving stuff made me want to keep it

http://i62.tinypic.com/2rhnqty.jpg

HI SPACESHIP!
http://i59.tinypic.com/b6rec4.jpg

http://i58.tinypic.com/2462wrr.jpg

BYE SPACESHIP!
http://i62.tinypic.com/24y1e7d.jpg

Disturbed//*.

03-02-2014, 10:56 AM

This map should have 4 windows in the water in mid! I like that idea, give it more of a space feeling then a boxy map!

|uK|kenneth

03-02-2014, 11:12 AM

This map should have 4 windows in the water in mid! I like that idea, give it more of a space feeling then a boxy map!

that may be a good idea actually.

Higor

03-02-2014, 11:36 AM

Hahahaha
Lazy mapper whoever made Niven!
That's GateWay's skybox, made for the Unreal's HUB map 2 years earlier from release.

~~D4RR3N~~

03-02-2014, 12:29 PM

Lazy mapper whoever made Niven!
Alan 'Talisman' Willard, ladies and gentlemen

That's GateWay's skybox, made for the Unreal's HUB map 2 years earlier from release.
Maybe Alan made GateWay as well? the same crew who worked on U1 worked on UT, too
And sometimes different maps have the same skybox

Chamberly

03-02-2014, 12:52 PM

First SS Remind me of Trouble game. LOL. The top view with 4 bases.

Higor

03-02-2014, 01:36 PM

Maybe Alan made GateWay as well? the same crew who worked on U1 worked on UT, too
And sometimes different maps have the same skybox
LOL I know, back then there weren't many options for skyboxes, Niven is one of the very first maps made on UT development and there weren't as many of the newer textures (UTTech, SGTech, SpaceFX, etc) that were included in the final release.
Those first maps not only do they use lots of Unreal 1 stock textures, but also have Unreal 1 weapons in them, and considering Gateway wasn't going to be included in UT, it was a valid choice to copy/paste the skybox.

~~D4RR3N~~

03-02-2014, 02:03 PM

LOL I know, back then there weren't many options for skyboxes, Niven is one of the very first maps made on UT development and there weren't as many of the newer textures (UTTech, SGTech, SpaceFX, etc) that were included in the final release.
Those first maps not only do they use lots of Unreal 1 stock textures, but also have Unreal 1 weapons in them, and considering Gateway wasn't going to be included in UT, it was a valid choice to copy/paste the skybox.
tru dat

Chamberly

03-02-2014, 07:43 PM

Geeky talk. Ohh la la... :P~

(bO.o)b

03-03-2014, 04:15 PM

It's Done

Your Level Screen
http://i60.tinypic.com/hx2a8g.jpg

(bO.o)b

03-03-2014, 08:53 PM

Hold up Chamberly i forgot to add Gaydar to the map.

Chamberly

03-03-2014, 10:14 PM

Hold up Chamberly i forgot to add Gaydar to the map.

What you mean hold up? I can't hack you and get your files... LOL.

What is the Gaydar for?

(bO.o)b

03-03-2014, 11:16 PM

What you mean hold up? I can't hack you and get your files... LOL.

What is the Gaydar for?

I mean be patient.

Gaydar installed.

http://i57.tinypic.com/1z32kwh.jpg

I gotta get all the files together.. how late will you be around? I forgot pathnodes :|

Chamberly

03-04-2014, 12:00 AM

I'm patience. I didn't ask you if you are ready, constantly.

Not sure, I spent whole day waiting. Gotta go catch some zzz and do some stuff later. Oh well, but could get it set up once I'm back. Probably tonight when I get back.

(bO.o)b

03-04-2014, 01:08 AM

http://i62.tinypic.com/mh5838.jpg
http://i57.tinypic.com/vyvzti.jpg
http://i61.tinypic.com/2wda89w.jpg
http://i59.tinypic.com/280s3rc.jpg
http://i60.tinypic.com/2a5dqvc.jpg
http://i59.tinypic.com/24oobao.jpg
http://i61.tinypic.com/15q5jjt.jpg
http://i62.tinypic.com/zluaah.jpg

Testing Now :cow:

|uK|B|aZe//.

03-04-2014, 07:03 AM

I actually like the look of this, is the mid part there like the niven edited by cube? If not thats good sort of

(bO.o)b

03-04-2014, 12:18 PM

I actually like the look of this, is the mid part there like the niven edited by cube? If not thats good sort of
I never opened any other version than the original.

Mid Weapon gonna piss people off

Chamberly

03-04-2014, 03:36 PM

Higor check your pm.

(bO.o)b

03-05-2014, 01:47 PM

Ok. Final testing today. Map should be submitted within 24 hours. :zpmini:

|uK|kenneth

03-05-2014, 02:19 PM

Map should be submitted within 24 hours

:j3::adminp:

Disturbed//*.

03-05-2014, 06:51 PM

Is the gaydar a decoration or does it use a meaning?

Higor

03-05-2014, 06:53 PM

It's gives you vision through a camera outside of your base's door.

Chamberly

03-05-2014, 06:58 PM

*EXPLICT*.

Oh my gosh, you didn't have to say that! LOL SHHHH

(bO.o)b

03-05-2014, 09:53 PM

The map is in uK's hands. Bother your nearest admin to upload it.

Banny

03-05-2014, 11:46 PM

The map is in uK's hands. Bother your nearest admin to upload it.

Andddddddddddddddddd here you go 18 hours Overtime INC

(bO.o)b

03-06-2014, 12:44 AM

The map is in uK's hands. Bother your nearest admin to upload it.
Andddddddddddddddddd here you go 18 hours Overtime INC

I Didn't 'Make' NIVEN, I Just Made It Last Forever.

damic

03-06-2014, 10:41 AM

4Niven??? Noooooooooo......... !!!!!!!!!!!!

http://img1.demotywatoryfb.pl//uploads/201403/gallery_1393847397_634448.gif

Diablo

03-06-2014, 02:46 PM

4-way Nimbus pls

|uK|kenneth

03-06-2014, 02:57 PM

4-way Nimbus pls

can someone give this guy a fucking cookie?

SAM

03-06-2014, 03:57 PM

The map is in uK's hands. Bother your nearest admin to upload it.

I didn't receive it??

OuTlaW

03-06-2014, 04:01 PM

*sniff* *sniff*....
i smell 14 hours game
*sniff* *sniff*

(bO.o)b

03-06-2014, 06:23 PM

I didn't receive it??

Chamberly said she sent it.. :/

Check that, she was waiting for my READTHISSHIT.txt :D

Should be on it's way. It's been tested so should be completely ready to go

I might release this map on UT99.org, but with screenshots and stuff in the ZIP, so please dont distibute what Chamberly sends you just add it to the server. The map is Final.

Chamberly

03-06-2014, 07:50 PM

Chamberly said she sent it.. :/

I wasn't sure what you were going to do, but I'll do it now. :P
Uploaded. SAM check ur PM.

HIGH+CAMILO

03-07-2014, 06:21 AM

4-way Nimbus pls

HAUHAUHAUAHAUHAUAHAUHAUAHAUHAUH

(bO.o)b

03-07-2014, 12:19 PM

So where is it?

(bO.o)b

03-07-2014, 06:13 PM

SAM check ur PM.
What she said. :cow:

(bO.o)b

03-08-2014, 10:30 AM

|uK|kenneth

03-08-2014, 10:37 AM

why do you think i was suprised when you said "map will be on the server within the next 24 hours" ?...

terminator

03-08-2014, 03:16 PM

Said, people are not interested in such map.

Chamberly

03-08-2014, 03:28 PM

Honey, just give it time. SAM takes awhile to do some stuff with UT, along with other things in life. ;)

~~D4RR3N~~

03-08-2014, 03:45 PM

hes a pro fighterrrrrrr

UT-Sniper-SJA94

03-08-2014, 07:02 PM

http://global3.memecdn.com/you-got-to-do-it-now_o_725904.jpg

|uK|B|aZe//.

03-09-2014, 10:18 AM

"NO GOOD DEED GOES UNPUNISHED"

That's the last nice thing I ever do for uK. I see the level of appreciation. Thanks guys.

If I didnt know how incredibly simple it was to add a map I wouldnt be saying anything. If this was something about banning someone, staff would have been all over it within minutes.

SAM does have a life and I could have added it myself but im stuck doing night shifts and dont have much time around the computer until tuesday

SAM

03-09-2014, 05:24 PM

I still don't have the map though??

Chamberly

03-09-2014, 06:31 PM

I still don't have the map though??

I sent it to you in PM. I already mentioned it before lol.

|uK|fleecey

03-09-2014, 07:17 PM

I sent it to you in PM. I already mentioned it before lol.

Maybe his inbox is full....?

Chamberly

03-09-2014, 08:47 PM

Maybe his inbox is full....?

I don't think so, because I remember 1 time when I try to send a PM to him, there will be a message saying that his inbox is full and send a message later. If I recall correctly.

Anyway, it's all fixed. gg.

LOL Poor kitty xD

Disturbed//*.

03-09-2014, 08:49 PM

Great map! Inc dislikes!!!

(bO.o)b

03-09-2014, 08:51 PM

SAM does have a life and I could have added it myself but im stuck doing night shifts and dont have much time around the computer until tuesday

Sorry just impatient. we played today :D Now my effort was worth it even if the map never gets voted again. THANKS SAM!

Oh yeah and WORST MAP EVER

First game ever!
http://i60.tinypic.com/16ansqw.jpg

|uK|Grimreaper

03-09-2014, 09:20 PM

Chamberly

03-09-2014, 09:31 PM

there is 1 thing that i have to point out tho
when i tried to join the server from spec while there was an empty spot in the server it said connection failed! repeatedly also happened to fleece and u2 chile

Someone was saying someone is using the VIP slot. I can't recall who said that.

Disturbed//*.

03-09-2014, 10:00 PM

Well via slot wouldn't of mattered. There still would of been 2 slots with the via making it 20 people.

|uK|fleecey

03-10-2014, 01:13 AM

there is 1 thing that i have to point out tho
when i tried to join the server from spec while there was an empty spot in the server it said connection failed! repeatedly also happened to fleece and u2 chile

Yeah... A lot of people get that, even me... but sam said it could be because of not enough spawnpoints or soemthng like that... i tried like 8 times before i could join

(bO.o)b

03-10-2014, 01:28 AM

There are 6 spawn points per team in exactly the same location they would be on the original map.

--- Updated ---

Shoulda named it Niven 24/7

Chamberly

03-10-2014, 02:07 AM

I don't think I've heard of something like that before... interesting.

HIGH+CAMILO

03-10-2014, 05:12 PM

[/COLOR]Shoulda named it Niven 24/7

IMO on this map you shouldnt be able to repair core.

Were played 2 times, overtime both.

HIGH[+]AdRiaN

03-10-2014, 05:28 PM

Yesterday i played a 5 hours Niven 4ways ��

Higor

03-10-2014, 06:08 PM

Even I wouldn't have the strength to play 5 hours niven.
I guess the fans outside a base are the only way to cause a base to get pushed back.

terminator

03-10-2014, 09:27 PM

Higor can u do sth about that overtime. At least on such maps

Moko

03-11-2014, 02:21 PM

I knew this day would come.

|uK|fleecey

03-11-2014, 07:06 PM

How come it takes forever to spawn sometimes when you play?

SAM

03-11-2014, 07:14 PM

How come it takes forever to spawn sometimes when you play?

Probably because not enough spawn points on this map.

HIGH[+]AdRiaN

03-12-2014, 11:31 AM

i have a easy solution for this map...

increase moviment doors radius, it's so easy

Original (190)

http://i.imgur.com/xzFXYcR.png

Suggested (380)

http://i.imgur.com/lxjcF9L.png

|uK|Rays

03-12-2014, 12:06 PM

And in it's last breath, RB exacts revenge on uK by locking them in an endless cycle of 4-way Niven.

|uK|kenneth

03-12-2014, 01:26 PM

How come it takes forever to spawn sometimes when you play?

oh thought it was just me, but nvm then.

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yep something needs to change its an endless race i would say if it get to overtime the core with below 99% health or lower should be automatically lowered to lets say 30 i mean what's the point of trying to get the enemy core down before overtime if its just gonna stay like that?

Chamberly

03-12-2014, 04:00 PM

Changes to the map can be done, and not hard. Just don't make mismatch files and we're good.

For the core to start decreasing health, that is a serious adjustment... imo it would either be: 1. adjusting the code and rebuild siege in another version, and constantly testing to make sure everything work or 2. an added patch to only that map, and of course, constant testing to make sure everything work right.

I don't have this version of siege that in on uK's pub so the result can be different I guess.

Or Higor can explain some things that might be correct or useful.

(bO.o)b

03-12-2014, 10:15 PM

AdRiaN;72540']i have a easy solution for this map...

http://i.imgur.com/xzFXYcR.png

huh? There's no problem with the doors, they are set exactly as the original map. If you set it like this, just looking at the doors will open them.

Disturbed//*.

03-13-2014, 02:08 AM

I don't see nothing wrong with the doors. Increasing radius..?? By the fan and it opens. Lol that's causes more spam aren't you guys wanting less spammm?

HIGH+CAMILO

03-13-2014, 07:59 AM

REMOVE DOORS!!!

|uK|B|aZe//.

03-13-2014, 11:20 AM

if a team below 100% health and say two teams are fully 100% then the team who's core is below 100% should be automatically eliminated when it goes to overtime....

|uK|fleecey

03-13-2014, 11:48 AM

if a team below 100% health and say two teams are fully 100% then the team who's core is below 100% should be automatically eliminated when it goes to overtime....

I actually agree on this

(bO.o)b

03-13-2014, 04:57 PM

Good idea. 3 teams OT guarantees much extra time

Banny

03-14-2014, 12:50 AM

REMOVE DOORS!!!

remove this map please

HIGH[+]AdRiaN

03-14-2014, 02:19 AM

huh? There's no problem with the doors, they are set exactly as the original map. If you set it like this, just looking at the doors will open them.

The doors is the reason of all spam of this map... you know
many players dont attack, or leave the base, they keep all time shoting the door for hinder the entry of the enemy

niven is a CTF map, not siege... and many changes are needed for make this a good siege map

Chamberly

03-14-2014, 02:44 AM

I'd say, it's rather grateful to have a new map.

Thank you Beef for making this map. ;)

terminator

03-14-2014, 08:18 AM

AdRiaN;72604']The doors is the reason of all spam of this map... you know
many players dont attack, or leave the base, they keep all time shoting the door for hinder the entry of the enemy

niven is a CTF map, not siege... and many changes are needed for make this a good siege map

What adrian said! Exactly as it is.

(bO.o)b

03-14-2014, 02:18 PM

AdRiaN;72604']many players dont attack, or leave the base, they keep all time shoting the door for hinder the entry of the enemy

niven is a CTF map, not siege... and many changes are needed for make this a good siege map

The players who shoot the door to prevent the enemy coming in are called 'DEFENDERS'.

Successful teams are comprised of Offense AND Defense.

Yesterday I was on Green and we were fighting Red.
Green Core was almost dead.
Red had Conts and SP's built outside our door.
Red at one point had Tele and SP INSIDE our door!

Most players would have given up. Right?

BUT I kept 'defending' the door with Blades.
Because of my defense, Red couldn't get past the first bend.
My 'Defense' (spam) earned enough RU to build 2 Nukes.
With those nukes I destroyed Red's base outside our door.
Because of my 'Defense', Green went on to win!

While i was defending the door, I had one clueless teammate (CODTerminator) who was team boosting me (for 5-10 minutes) trying to get me to leave the base.

He is SO dumb he didn't realize my defense was saving our base from this invasion.

He is SO dumb he probably doesn't realize that DEFENDING THE DOOR saved us from certain destruction.

So basically. If you think Offense is the only strategy, you are very wrong.

There SHOULD be defenders keeping the enemy out on ANY map. This isn't a game of cooperation between teams.

NIVEN NOT SIEGE?
The original CTF-Niven is 'Siege' when its 2 teams, why is it not Siege when it's 4 teams?

If you feel Niven must be edited to play better, feel free to spend your own time correct these egregious errors. :cow:

Coll@

03-14-2014, 02:28 PM

(bO.o)b

03-14-2014, 02:36 PM

The server isnt full of noobs. It's full of One-Trick-Ponies who dont have strategies for any maps other than Niven, Bathrooms or Clarion.

http://i58.tinypic.com/30nkjms.jpg

Disturbed//*.

03-14-2014, 03:31 PM

How come shark tank isn't added? :)

terminator

03-14-2014, 03:47 PM

The players who shoot the door to prevent the enemy coming in are called 'DEFENDERS'.

TL;DR
Because of my 'Defense', Green went on to win!

While i was defending the door, I had one clueless teammate (CODTerminator) who was team boosting me (for 5-10 minutes) trying to get me to leave the base.

He is SO dumb he didn't realize my defense was saving our base from this invasion.

He is SO dumb he probably doesn't realize that DEFENDING THE DOOR saved us from certain destruction.

So basically. If you think Offense is the only strategy, you are very wrong.

There SHOULD be defenders keeping the enemy out on ANY map. This isn't a game of cooperation between teams.

NIVEN NOT SIEGE?
The original CTF-Niven is 'Siege' when its 2 teams, why is it not Siege when it's 4 teams?

If you feel Niven must be edited to play better, feel free to spend your own time correct these egregious errors. :cow:

If not me YOU DUMBFUCK we would lost that map. Your RIPPER SPAM brought nothing, but my teleports, rockets cannons on core and nuking is what brought us victory(with certain players contributed nuking or even sharing some). U have no guts to try yourself in offence because ofcourse, spamming is lot more easier and lot greater chance to succeed(and beside that lack of skill). U were CAMPING, u weren't defending. Such thing is called camping! Example of who was defending there was utbusta !

Beside, ADRIAN pointed it right, niven is made mainly for CTF, it is not siege map. 4 way siege is nothing more but adding 2 more teams in a CTF map(there used to be 4CTF mods too)

Shotman

03-14-2014, 05:04 PM

server is full of noobs and they are afraid of real siege maps. I remember how he used to be a lot more better players but obviously that here nobody cares about it. the question is what is the real reason why people are leaving. I still think that if you want to keep people or attract more people you have to improve the game with the regular addition of new items and maps as all other games. all I see here is that things are deleted and fewer maps are played. Niven, clarion, bathrooms. I'm sorry that this mode is in the wrong hands and I'm sure most here understands me

This argument is really just weak. Ictf is a perfect way to counter your argument since this mod hasn't changed at all except with the change of zp to newnet, but it was a south transition unlike siege where it was dramatically and overpowered. If you want to choose new maps then i suggest removing duplicates and actually make new games or sieged current ctf maps. The reason people might be leaving is maybe they are getting old or the economy is hurting them and need to work more. Jeez Christ life is more important than UT, it happens to all games.

Btw Niven was meant for CTF, well most of the siege maps (like 90%) were made specifically made for CTF. That's why you see CTF in front of the map name.

HIGH[+]AdRiaN

03-14-2014, 05:04 PM

He is saying niven is a strategy map... yes it is. but all noobs can make good defenses, and strategic def players can easily make a niven game NEVER END

if me play on def, i have sure my core will never die, its is a EXTREME EASY MAP FOR DEFEND

the problem is, 5% of players really know attack on niven... while 100% of players (EVEN CHIMP, IM LYING?) know defend... of course, its not needed any intelligence or skill for defend on niven

terminator

03-14-2014, 05:22 PM

AdRiaN;72629']He is saying niven is a strategy map... yes it is. but all noobs can make good defenses, and strategic def players can easily make a niven game NEVER END

if me play on def, i have sure my core will never die, its is a EXTREME EASY MAP FOR DEFEND

the problem is, 5% of players really know attack on niven... while 100% of players (EVEN CHIMP, IM LYING?) know defend... of course, its not needed any intelligence or skill for defend on niven

Well said! It's funny to see when one team starts losing, the automatically CLOSE themselves INTO that, making more and more fortifications inside, instead trying to find the way out.
And the guy who is assing himself up for ripper spam as the key of the victory on niven claiming he was the reason why team won... he is the last one to use his brain to think how to leave the base or how to surprise enemy team.
If i was just as you, spamming ripper, we would stay inside the base for another 3 hours...what's the point making the NIVEN last longer and longer until we finally get defeated? explain pls!
P.S Niven is the only map where you can actually achieve sth...not by skills, but by pure spamming luck

Higor

03-14-2014, 07:27 PM

I've lost Niven games after having a fully built Fan station outside of the enemy gate, all it takes is 10 ppl on your team disregarding the offensive buildings and letting them die without doing anything.
Now you wonder, why build the fan then?

Simple, it's a high winrate tactic with a fatal weakness:
It takes a SC forward into the enemy side, if said SC dies, there's a 10 minute window where your base has no defenses.
This means that if your team is really shit, you will lose the fan, then the gate and the game will end quickly to the enjoyment of everyone.

Yep, I'd rather lose trying to pull epic wins instead or rage-quitting... hello C.

terminator

03-14-2014, 08:16 PM

When team is not listening it's very hard Higor. I am pretty sure u played lot of overtime Niven maps. There are tactics that can help in theory...not everyone is able to make a standing SC when ur enemy is also strong enough. When u fail making SC at enemy core, someone may make it in it's own base.
2 SC defending ur base + spammers + 100000 mines remaking all over and over again(forcefields minishields, sps, poison guardians) and it's a high overtime tactic :)). Not pointing at what would u do in such case, pointing at what would 80% of players there do in such case.
Niven is the map that promotes camping and spamming. I would say noob friendly but it's kind of an insult to the newbie players

Disturbed//*.

03-14-2014, 08:47 PM

That's why you see CTF in front of the map name.

LOL

(bO.o)b

03-14-2014, 08:56 PM

How come shark tank isn't added? :)

Higor found a few things that need fixing. I been working on that map for so long that I'll settle for nothing less than perfection.

I didnt forget about it. Soon enough!

(bO.o)b

03-14-2014, 09:12 PM

If not me YOU DUMBFUCK we would lost that map. Your RIPPER SPAM brought nothing,

Nah YOU are the dumbfuck. You were so busy team boosting me that you didnt see how many of the enemy I killed that were right behind you.

You were facing ME, not them. You were shooting ME, not them.

If I hadnt been defending the base, you would NOT have had a chance to use whatever offensive skill you think you have.

MY 2 Deemers killed thier buildings. Not your pathetic offense.

Next time. Play your own fucking game you asshole.

Team shooting me WILL NOT make me do what you want. Fuck off you piece of shit.

__________________________

Apology for the harsh language but you are not the team captain and your strategy is not the only strategy. Jeez

Higor

03-14-2014, 10:06 PM

Higor found a few things that need fixing
Awww, I guess I can't surprise my enemies with magic teles anymore.

Chamberly

03-14-2014, 10:22 PM

Quote Originally Posted by (bO.o)b View Post
Higor found a few things that need fixing
Awww, I guess I can't surprise my enemies with magic teles anymore.

both of you SHHH. :P

are you sure with that midspawn? that's the only thing imo lol

(bO.o)b

03-14-2014, 11:17 PM

Awww, I guess I can't surprise my enemies with magic teles anymore.

lol no. I wasnt going to use it. One person F5ing me and that would spread like wildfire. I just have to sacrifice that slant the ceiling has. Simple fix. but there are a few more final changes beyond this.

Skybox and some windows somewhere
Credit Room
Cow Petting Zoo

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are you sure with that midspawn? that's the only thing imo lol

What about it?

Chamberly

03-14-2014, 11:39 PM

What about it?

It's on top. (Of something lol) If we talked about it last time... I guess. Or idk. Higor? lol

Disturbed//*.

03-15-2014, 12:12 AM

Cow petting zoo??? ROFL!

|uK|chiseller

03-15-2014, 02:02 PM

The worst thing you can do on Niven is defending, that's not how you win it but how you lose it.

And to stay on topic: 4way Niven is awful. I'd elaborate why but I don't think OP cares anyway.

(bO.o)b

03-15-2014, 02:43 PM

The worst thing you can do on Niven is defending, that's not how you win it but how you lose it.
Our base had been taken over. My 'defending' kept them out of our core room.

It's so obvious that defense will not kill the enemy's core that it's not even worth a mention.

You guys need to read for comprehension, not just glance at the words and pick the words you don't agree with. I never once said 'defending is the way to win a game'.

(While I'm on this subject, it was the lack of defense that got our base into the situation in the first place! Duh!)

When I mentioned the importance of Defense it was regarding this particular case, on this particular map.

MY 'Defense' made it possible for our offense to eventually win. It's as simple as that.

If you weren't there, you have no room to comment. What I did was amazing.

And to stay on topic: 4way Niven is awful. I'd elaborate why but I don't think OP cares anyway.
Elaborate by all means. I wont be offended because I didnt make the map, I just made it [4]. The only creative liberty i took was Mid Weapon. Outside of that, it's pure Niven.

Just because I don't care doesn't mean I wont find criticism(s) from non-map-makers highly jocular!

|uK|B|aZe//.

03-15-2014, 04:23 PM

Good idea. 3 teams OT guarantees much extra time

I actually state the opposite nice attempt at trolling I suppose

terminator

03-15-2014, 05:00 PM

Your way of thinking (bO.o)b makes me sick.
No it's not your goddamn CAMPING that brought us victory because i didn't make tele when u nuked your own base in order to keep them out. I made tele when i spawned outside and sneaked to make a tele in enemy territory.
People who were actually using it and distract by killing their base are who brought us out of this shit. Your own mind would never think of sth as that, because it's limited to scrolling at RIPPER weapon and holding a primary shot button.
Sorry, perhaps cappable of spamming some pointless mines (as u do often in random maps, which obviously makes u enjoy it so much).
As chis said, DEFENDING won't bring you win and no, base was deeply protected with the fortifications spam that they couldn't get in so easily.
Keeping the way as u're thinking now, u will never be the one bringing the team to victory.
Yeah true, i was shooting at you because i felt enough of dumbfucks like you SPAMMING ripper ...not defending, not using brain and FACING enemy, but camping and spamming.
That was lame... as it is stated in uK server rules, don't play lame...this is exactly what u were doing

(bO.o)b

03-15-2014, 07:40 PM

Your way of thinking (bO.o)b makes me sick.
No it's not your goddamn CAMPING that brought us victory
I never said my camping brought us victory. I said my Ripper 'Defense' saved us from defeat. Which in-turn, made Victory possible.

I made tele when i spawned outside and sneaked to make a tele in enemy territory.
People who were actually using it and distract by killing their base are who brought us out of this shit.
Sorry noob, but your tele didnt kill the tele and SP they built INSIDE our base. My 2 nukes did.

Your own mind would never think of sth as that, because it's limited to scrolling at RIPPER weapon and holding a primary shot button.
If youre trying so say that i stayed shooting Ripper in our base the whole game, you are wrong AGAIN.

God don't you ever give up?

Once our base was clear, I left and helped control outside. You weren't watching me the whole game or you'd already know this.

Stop your stupid speculation to the inner workings of my mind because you clearly aren't capable of understanding.

Sorry, perhaps cappable of spamming some pointless mines (as u do often in random maps, which obviously makes u enjoy it so much).
Yep I LOVE my mines! My placement is far from pointless but again you prove incapable of understanding any of my concepts.

As chis said, DEFENDING won't bring you win
I agreed with him. I stated that Defending helps prevent loss and makes an strong offense possible.

and no, base was deeply protected with the fortifications spam that they couldn't get in so easily.
Red couldnt get in so easily? Are you from Bizarro World?

Red built a Tele AND an SP INSIDE our fucking base.

So... How deep were our fortifications again? Please explain.

Keeping the way as u're thinking now,
Thank you. I will.

u will never be the one bringing the team to victory.
I play for FUN only. I have no ambition to be a top player. It's just not that important to me.

Yeah true, i was shooting at you because i felt enough of dumbfucks like you SPAMMING ripper ...not defending, not using brain and FACING enemy, but camping and spamming.
So wait. lol you claim I didnt 'face' the enemy?

The whole time you were boosting me, you had your back to the enemy. I saved your life at least 10 times because you were SO focused on ME! lol

Dude, you were clueless what was going on behind you.

That was lame... as it is stated in uK server rules, don't play lame...this is exactly what u were doing
Team Boosting is lame, therefore, the ONLY person breaking a server rule was You.

Sorry Terminator. 'Your' way of playing isnt the Only way! :)

NOBODY made you Team Captain so just STFU and play your own game.

Moskva

03-15-2014, 08:07 PM

Siege is a team game, doubt many in here would like to keep reading this ego fight.

Also no need to fight over a pub game (over any game tbh)

|uK|kenneth

03-15-2014, 08:17 PM

doubt many in here would like to keep reading this ego fight
^

audiosonic

03-16-2014, 06:39 AM

Defending on Niven is like defending on Simplex, no matter how good you do, you're still a shitter

(bO.o)b

03-16-2014, 06:46 AM

Defending on Niven is like defending on Simplex, no matter how good you do, you're still a shitter

I evicted them from our base. Not your noob friend Termite. If you're too dumb to recognize the importance of defense, you are just as lost as Termite is.

If you weren't playing that game, you have ZERO business talking.

IF you had been watching me with F5, you would have been amazed at what I accomplished while being attacked by my own teammate! lol

You'd likely be MORE amazed that I never shot back at him.

Do you really condone attacking your teammate if you don't agree with their tactics? Is that what you are saying audio?

Players like him are selfish. Yes they learned a few offensive tricks.

But they are too busy doing what they do to recognize there is a whole framework of support players that make what they do possible.

It's not my fault he's a selfish SOB

audiosonic

03-16-2014, 07:23 AM

sorry but termi is not my friend, he is noobsucker

(bO.o)b

03-16-2014, 07:30 AM

lol

terminator

03-16-2014, 01:58 PM

I evicted them from our base. Not your noob friend Termite. If you're too dumb to recognize the importance of defense, you are just as lost as Termite is.

If you weren't playing that game, you have ZERO business talking.

IF you had been watching me with F5, you would have been amazed at what I accomplished while being attacked by my own teammate! lol

You'd likely be MORE amazed that I never shot back at him.

Do you really condone attacking your teammate if you don't agree with their tactics? Is that what you are saying audio?

Players like him are selfish. Yes they learned a few offensive tricks.

But they are too busy doing what they do to recognize there is a whole framework of support players that make what they do possible.

It's not my fault he's a selfish SOB

Stop talking shits as u're a 1000$ player.
Praising yourself like u just gave ur right hand trying to keep our base.
U talk craps dude... as bro paki said "Defending on Niven is like defending on Simplex, no matter how good you do, you're still a shitter"
True...because nuking your own base and spamming ripper is sth that CHIMP could do in our team.
Instead of that u could let someone else defend who ain't got no skills for anything else but that... who is lazy to use brain or have none of it.
Or you just want to put yourself in such position, sorry.
Yeah, i kept on shooting at you as i would shoot to anyone else seeing that they play so lame as you do.