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Lag4D
10-16-2014, 11:23 PM
Been playing UT for 15 years, suffering from bad ping 250-300 since I located to Asia but still enjoy the game!

Banned yesterday for 100 games for 'not picking up the flag' for 30 minutes? This is total bullshit!!! I did frag TimTim a few times though :) It seems that this admin likes to ban anyone that gets the better of him or doesn't play 'his' rules. A quick check of my stats will show that I usually grabs the flag more than others.

I find it strange that with so few players left in UT that admins are banning old skool players for their own personal satisfaction.

Reading through the forum I can see the TimTim likes to bad people for 'non offenses'. Maybe he is not mature enough to have the responsibility of adminning the servers?

Chamberly
10-16-2014, 11:48 PM
Hi, welcome to the forum.

Well, the "not picking up the flag" is particularly a non-ctf kind of game. We have a different rule here apart from every other server. Generally, if the person is just DeathMatching (Fragging around in the mid/bases/home base) it's just DM and not a ctf style, either you trying to help your team or not, it's against the rule to DM. Hopefully this clear out any confusion you may have. & it's not all Timtim's fault. I would've done the same. ;)

Cheers.

Moskva
10-17-2014, 02:12 AM
Guess this was the match Unreal Tournament Stats - Powered by UTStats (http://www.unrealkillers.com/usstats/?p=match&mid=67529)

DAT ACC THO

But before that match you did grab

NO SÉ

Shotman
10-17-2014, 02:41 AM
Hi, welcome to the forum.

Well, the "not picking up the flag" is particularly a non-ctf kind of game. We have a different rule here apart from every other server. Generally, if the person is just DeathMatching (Fragging around in the mid/bases/home base) it's just DM and not a ctf style, either you trying to help your team or not, it's against the rule to DM. Hopefully this clear out any confusion you may have. & it's not all Timtim's fault. I would've done the same. ;)

Cheers.

"Not picking up the flag" is very broad because he can simply be defending or since he has 300+ ping he may have just been lagging to bad that he missed the flag. Also he is doing a favor for everyone of him not grabbing because they would just be an unfair cap. Heck if i had that ping i would not even try to grab the flag.

Very creepy, i check your stats and its 6666 flag takes.

TimTim
10-17-2014, 04:38 AM
Check the ban message on the other server, as it's more explanatory. You were crouching in a corner in blue's base backshooting everyone as they tried to leave. And you did this repeatedly and intentionally for the last half of the map, as I watched you beeline to a position to do so every time you made it into blue's base.

Please try to do something useful in the future. You were doing more harm to your team than good, because you know what happens when you backshoot the enemy team as they're trying to leave their base? They spawn right back in their base, and your team stands no chance of getting out as a result. Your team was able to cap as soon as I banned you.

The game is called "Capture the Flag" not "Sit in a Corner and Backshoot Everyone Like a Jackass".

Holzi
10-17-2014, 07:25 AM
All I can say is - FINALLY!
Thanks for that!
Always crouching and camping in corners. There are more of these players like VICTUS to name one.

|uK|ScReaM
10-17-2014, 09:31 AM
i have seen him also doing it all games long , in corners camping , i see other players with 250-300 ping playing ctf :)


Check the ban message on the other server, as it's more explanatory. You were crouching in a corner in blue's base backshooting everyone as they tried to leave. And you did this repeatedly and intentionally for the last half of the map, as I watched you beeline to a position to do so every time you made it into blue's base.

Please try to do something useful in the future. You were doing more harm to your team than good, because you know what happens when you backshoot the enemy team as they're trying to leave their base? They spawn right back in their base, and your team stands no chance of getting out as a result. Your team was able to cap as soon as I banned you.

The game is called "Capture the Flag" not "Sit in a Corner and Backshoot Everyone Like a Jackass".

PACO
10-17-2014, 10:21 PM
It's an Unreal Tournament IG pub and the guy has 8 accuracy and a million ping. Not my servers, not my rules but it's unfortunate seeing a guy like this take a ban playing a fifteen year old game that he loves. You quadrupled his frags and killed him almost 3:1 and banning him is just adding insult to injury.

~~D4RR3N~~
10-17-2014, 11:23 PM
The voice of Wisdom of all UT has spoken, may his word be taken into consideration.
Amen.

Holzi
10-18-2014, 04:39 AM
It's an Unreal Tournament IG pub and the guy has 8 accuracy and a million ping.

Have you played against him?
He is crouching Gauntlet high and shooting people in the back...

PACO
10-18-2014, 05:10 AM
Have you played against him?
He is crouching Gauntlet high and shooting people in the back...
With 8 accuracy.. It means he's letting 12+ shots fly before connecting on one.

TimTim
10-18-2014, 05:52 AM
It's an Unreal Tournament IG pub and the guy has 8 accuracy and a million ping. Not my servers, not my rules but it's unfortunate seeing a guy like this take a ban playing a fifteen year old game that he loves. You quadrupled his frags and killed him almost 3:1 and banning him is just adding insult to injury.
Somehow I knew you'd chime in with this exact comment. Almost every one of his frags was from crouching in a corner. He spammed and missed shots repeatedly but that is no excuse for not following the rules. Don't comment on things you know nothing about.

LoSaH
10-18-2014, 02:46 PM
As I was in his team during this game I can confirm he was just hiding in corner(s) backshooting respawned people.
iCTF is still about grabbing a flag, covering the flagcarrier and killing the enemy fc. I can also just spam a dozen of shots next time in my base first to later do some camping in their base, making a holy shit rampage to spam another dozen of shots in my own base first so I can end with a total of 150 ass-shot kills and 10 acc. Or what if this guys plays a pug @ ipug, makes 30 kills in total where as 20 of them are assruns... I'm pretty sure you will ban him as well even tho he only has 8 acc.

There are a few more idiots around which are crouch the fucking whole time (evil-clown f.e.). On a map like Duku score can easily reach 15-1 if you have one or two people like him (I'm staying nice here) in your team. I've got respect for every player who tries to play iCTF even if they need 12 shots for a kill, but people like LaG4D who only chase/assrun and camp in a corner add 0.0 value to the game ruining the experience for the other players.

Lag4D
10-18-2014, 05:07 PM
As I was in his team during this game I can confirm he was just hiding in corner(s) backshooting respawned people.
iCTF is still about grabbing a flag, covering the flagcarrier and killing the enemy fc. I can also just spam a dozen of shots next time in my base first to later do some camping in their base, making a holy shit rampage to spam another dozen of shots in my own base first so I can end with a total of 150 ass-shot kills and 10 acc. Or what if this guys plays a pug @ ipug, makes 30 kills in total where as 20 of them are assruns... I'm pretty sure you will ban him as well even tho he only has 8 acc.

There are a few more idiots around which are crouch the fucking whole time (evil-clown f.e.). On a map like Duku score can easily reach 15-1 if you have one or two people like him (I'm staying nice here) in your team. I've got respect for every player who tries to play iCTF even if they need 12 shots for a kill, but people like LaG4D who only chase/assrun and camp in a corner add 0.0 value to the game ruining the experience for the other players.

Bullshit!

PACO
10-18-2014, 05:16 PM
Don't comment on things you know nothing about.

What definition of nothing are we rolling with?

Here is what we do know...

-He shot 8accuracy (12+ shots needed to connect).
-He's playing with 300 ping from Thailand.
-He's a newb.
-You got 4x as many frags.
-You killed him almost 3:1.
-You lost the map.
-You banned him.

What information are we missing other than 'he broke the rules'? I'm amused that you knew I would chime in. Maybe you remember my stance on newbs or you have been blessed with telepathy.


Or what if this guys plays a pug @ ipug, makes 30 kills in total where as 20 of them are assruns... I'm pretty sure you will ban him as well even tho he only has 8 acc.

It happens all the time. We have newbs come through from the pubs, other games, other gametypes and other communities. One of the things that I preach to my admins is lenience on newbs (guys like Sponge/Unrealshots/any other admin can attest). This is in a pug environment where there are structured rules and people are taking the extra step to play. An example of a newb would be TimTim when he first started playing IG pickups. He struggled to play offense/grab flags and I received complaints about his playstyle. I didn't ban him, I offered him advice on CTF etiquette and how to grab. He figured it out and turned himself into a pretty decent player.

Additionally, if this guy played on iPug, another admin who wasn't on the opposing team would have had to review the case before banning him. In the heat of the moment, people make bad decisions and it's one of the main reasons why I have other admins review laming bans.

The guy is unbanned, so the topic is stale but not entirely irrelevant. I'm disappointed that one of the last active pubs and hubs treats newbs like that.

Lag4D
10-18-2014, 05:55 PM
Ive played UT since day 1 so hardly a n00b :) 1115 matches and 1079 caps on these servers, not the worlds best stats, but still not bad for someone that 'apparently' spends all their time crouching in corners shooting people in the back.

I will admit that the map where I got banned (Control) was a bit of a lazy/smoking map for me after playing about 10 maps straight. I did crouch once in home base for 1 flag kill and I did penetrate their defense from their own base a little too much (no crouching at all here, contrary to what I was accused of). As for 'crouching all the time' that is just bullshit. To get banned without even a warning imho was a bit harsh and more of a personal attack than a well judged admin decision.

As for the others that like tuggin on the admin, if you see me doing wrong then demorec me, send it to an admin and get me permabanned....simple innit!


Admins should also state who they are when they ban people. (unless they can't really stand for their decisions/actions)

Lag4D
10-18-2014, 06:10 PM
Have you played against him?
He is crouching Gauntlet high and shooting people in the back...

Oh really, when was this then? I haven't played Gauntlet since 25 July, almost 3 months ago and a very tight match it was
http://www.unrealkillers.com/usstats/?p=match&mid=60574
9 grabs, 3 caps all the while I was 'crouching Gauntlet high and shooting people in the back'

So when was I doing as you accuse me??

TimTim
10-18-2014, 06:33 PM
What information are we missing other than 'he broke the rules'?
The map went into 7 minutes of overtime because of Lag4D. I guess you skipped over or conveniently ignored the part where I said that his team was able to cap as soon as he was banned. Allow me to quote myself:

Please try to do something useful in the future. You were doing more harm to your team than good, because you know what happens when you backshoot the enemy team as they're trying to leave their base? They spawn right back in their base, and your team stands no chance of getting out as a result. Your team was able to cap as soon as I banned you.

The game is called "Capture the Flag" not "Sit in a Corner and Backshoot Everyone Like a Jackass".


I'm amused that you knew I would chime in. Maybe you remember my stance on newbs or you have been blessed with telepathy.
I knew you'd chime in because the thread involves me. I'm amused that I was right about you chiming in.


An example of a newb would be TimTim when he first started playing IG pickups. He struggled to play offense/grab flags and I received complaints about his playstyle. I didn't ban him, I offered him advice on CTF etiquette and how to grab. He figured it out and turned himself into a pretty decent player.
This is a really ridiculous comparison. My first few maps playing InstaGib CTF ever can in no way be compared to someone who says it himself that he's been playing since day 1. He most definitely knows the accepted playstyle on UnrealKillers' servers by now, whereas no one ever explained to me the rules of iCTF before my first few pugs. And I immediately adjusted my playstyle upon learning the etiquette.

I had already warned Lag4D multiple times during previous encounters, so your assumption that he was banned without warning is completely unwarranted, as well as your other assumptions within this thread, those of which you're relying on as you grasp for straws in your attempt to make me look like a bad guy here.

Hopefully as a result of his short ban, Lag4D understands now that crouching in a corner in the enemy base and trying to shoot players in the back as they leave was making the pub experience exceedingly unpleasant for the other 11 players in the server.


All I can say is - FINALLY!
Thanks for that!
Always crouching and camping in corners. There are more of these players like VICTUS to name one.


i have seen him also doing it all games long , in corners camping , i see other players with 250-300 ping playing ctf :)


Have you played against him?
He is crouching Gauntlet high and shooting people in the back...


As I was in his team during this game I can confirm he was just hiding in corner(s) backshooting respawned people.

Lag4D
10-18-2014, 06:54 PM
So you quote Holzi even though I have disproved his claim....that's a bit weak!! Here are the stats again for the last time I played Gauntlet nearly 3 months ago Unreal Tournament Stats - Powered by UTStats (http://www.unrealkillers.com/usstats/?p=match&mid=60574)
Scream can go check my stats for grabs/caps and then tell me again that I'm spending all my time 'camping in corners'
Loseh's claim might have some weight in it, but I think he is exaggerating a bit, I was penetrating defence, also dodging into base, but was NOT crouching in enemy base :)


I had already warned Lag4D multiple times during previous encounters, so your assumption that he was banned without warning is completely unwarranted

As for warnings?? you have never given me a warning before.... no need to lie!

PACO
10-18-2014, 07:30 PM
I knew you'd chime in because the thread involves me. I'm amused that I was right about you chiming in.

Last I checked, there is no shortage of TimTim threads. Do you get that shaking suspicion in all of them or was this one particularly special? I'm sure you believe your ban is justified and if you are fully confident with your decision, you shouldn't have a problem with people raising concerns.

TimTim
10-18-2014, 08:17 PM
Last I checked, there is no shortage of TimTim threads.
Quite the confirmation bias going on here. There is a grand total of one other recent thread. If that isn't evidence of confirmation bias towards a feeble attempt to make me look bad, I don't know what is. You might want to quit while you're ahead because you're making yourself look like an incredible idiot.


Do you get that shaking suspicion in all of them or was this one particularly special?
It would be silly to go into full detail on all the patterns I've recognized, but this one was actually particularly special because I saw your name pop up in the viewers list at the bottom.


I'm sure you believe your ban is justified and if you are fully confident with your decision, you shouldn't have a problem with people raising concerns.
I have no problem addressing raised concerns, just as I've done within this thread, and I'll continue to provide more than valid reasons for occasionally trying to keep the lamers in line. What I don't appreciate is scumbags trying to make me out to be a bad guy when they're the ones in the wrong. And conveniently, people seem to never take notice of how often I actually let laming slide when I occasionally hop in for a game, partly because I simply don't have time to entertain threads like these. So when I do swing the banhammer, it's for a really good reason and you can be damn sure I can back it up.

Chamberly
10-18-2014, 08:21 PM
Dude. Just play by the rules or get banned. Simple as that. lol

~~D4RR3N~~
10-18-2014, 08:34 PM
PACO, even if he hits 8 acc and has 300 ping, that doesnt give him the right to play lame... Specially after he HIMSELF said that he has 15 years playing, which means he MUST know the rules by now...

just the 2 cents of a 1 acc player.

PACO
10-18-2014, 09:03 PM
You might want to quit while you're ahead
As long as we are on the same page with that, I can comfortably walk away from this thread.

Also thank you Chamberly for your wonderful insight. This really is shaping up to be an administrative dream team! :)

rummy
10-18-2014, 09:14 PM
TimTim doesn't bougth a brain.

TimTim
10-18-2014, 09:21 PM
Nice try at saving face but...

I shall henceforth be known as THEINCREDIBLEIDIOT.

http://i.imgur.com/Kom82.gif

Chamberly
10-18-2014, 09:26 PM
Going to close this thread. Lag4D if you have any question, please contact me.

|uK|chiseller
10-19-2014, 02:10 AM
Here's the thing, it doesn't matter how good or bad he is. He is setting a bad example and sooner or later people will follow his lead. Pedagogy 101
Not going to address the rest, I leave the stage to you guys :cooter:

I will unlock if you want to further discuss your case, Lag4D