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Blackdeath
05-30-2017, 08:29 AM
https://image.ibb.co/fPYFDF/Immagine.png (https://imgbb.com/)

I don't want to talk about Kos accuracy (he's a good player, always thinked, until now) but for me are really suspect, more than frags, the "tempted shots": In 15 mins too many, really how he can fired near 700 shots? I'm playing another UT on UK server? Seriously, how he can? He never lost time when he's dead?


Match stats --> http://www.unrealkillers.com/ukstats/?p=match&mid=113792




Look this stats, about Uenz (15 mins on woot like Kos)


https://image.ibb.co/mV5Ffv/Immagine2.png (https://imgbb.com/)

https://image.ibb.co/gvkLDF/Immagine3.png (https://imgbb.com/)


Match stats --> http://www.unrealkillers.com/ukstats/?p=match&mid=109912



684 vs 532? LOL

I have an idea about this but 'i'll wait the admins reply

UNrealshots
05-30-2017, 10:12 AM
It's hard to compare 2 different players because they have 2 different playstyles but the frag count is pretty damn high Kos must've been strictly laming or is cheating one of the two...

Blackdeath
05-30-2017, 10:33 AM
Ty for reply shots


maths:

60sec x 15min= 900 sec --> how many seconds in a full game without extra time

900/684= 1.32 --> this is the avg time between his 2 shots


Now:

1) how much is fire rate in ig?

2) 1.32 isn't be considering the time he had lost when a player has killed him, therefore the avg time is a lot less than this

3) It possible to have 54+ accuracy with this suspect fire speed?




For all this factors, for me the answer is NO. He's a cheater

UNrealshots
05-30-2017, 02:13 PM
definitely raises suspicion for sure hopefully we can figure this out.

SAM
05-30-2017, 07:53 PM
Does anyone know if he comes to forum?

|uK|fleecey
05-31-2017, 07:03 AM
Does anyone know if he comes to forum?

I think not, never seen him on the forum

Blackdeath
05-31-2017, 05:59 PM
I know he is a admin in PassionateGaming channel on Discord. Tim and Nordog could be speak with Kos and bring him here

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I've found final screenshot

https://preview.ibb.co/m8qSAv/Shot0245.png (https://ibb.co/byGOiF)

Blackdeath
06-02-2017, 01:50 PM
So now? He signed up on forum, read the post and no write, and he is playing on your servers like as nothing is happened



recapping:

In match he's dead 97 times

When you die you lose ~ 1 sec between reborn and release 1st shot (we aren't considering the time for take aim). We want not considering the time he lost for taking enemy flag (7 times)? Let's do it



Now:


15x60=900 sec --> full game without extra time

97 deaths ~ 100 sec --> time lost

900-100=800 --> the time where he's alive and ready for fire

800/684= 1.17 avg time between his 2 shots. Accuracy 54+. Yeah, right



Really is need to add something?

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pls SAM or somebody else that can do it, move the entire discussion in a public section

|uK|fleecey
06-04-2017, 09:15 AM
thread moved
K-os^

breeze
06-04-2017, 01:14 PM
I would like to know if K0S is one of the admins here?

UNrealshots
06-04-2017, 02:08 PM
k-oos is not an admin here just a bunch of morons running the show now outside of maybe 1 or 2 admins.

|uK|B|aZe//.
06-04-2017, 03:07 PM
Thanks for the input shots.... we obviously made a mistake in trusting you.

K-os is not an admin here

K-os^
06-04-2017, 04:43 PM
Hello,

Yep, I was hitting quite well that game. I think thats the highest that Ive ever shot on w00t.
Anyways there are some comparable stats.

f.e.

http://www.unrealkillers.com/ukstats/?p=match&mid=96622 > 338 frags, 51 acc & 654 shots

http://www.unrealkillers.com/ukstats/?p=match&mid=102397 > 326 frags, 48 acc & 669 shots

http://www.unrealkillers.com/ukstats/?p=match&mid=100279 > 325 frags, 50 acc & 644 shots

http://www.unrealkillers.com/ukstats/?p=match&mid=102112 > 305 frags, 47 acc & 645 shots

http://www.unrealkillers.com/ukstats/?p=match&mid=99331 > 321 frags, 51 acc & 626 shots

These are the ones that I could find, but there are probably some more.
In some of the games that I posted moderators/admins were speccing me as well, so they know my playstyle.

Blackdeath
06-04-2017, 06:25 PM
so they know my playstyle

Yep


https://preview.ibb.co/cJKuca/Shot0250.jpg (https://ibb.co/iafNVv)







I don't know which is your secret for allows you to hit with this speed and accuracy for 15 mins no stop. This isn't skill, not only, maybe your hardware and ISP give you a huge vantage and you see "motionless players", every 1.17 sec you released 1 shot (54+ acc). maybe is something else.. There are many good players on UK server, and they have -50/-100 avg tempted shots on same map in same time (15 mins). What do you have to say about this? Which is your secret? Are we all retarded and you are Jesus Christ? Your fire speed seems the combogib primary laser.

Nothing personal against you, but I keep thinking that match, grey zone

K-os^
06-04-2017, 07:09 PM
I can demo a w00t game, nps

deicide
06-05-2017, 12:17 AM
Maybe you could also just stop playing deathmatch on woot?

|uK|ScReaM
06-05-2017, 02:58 AM
Why dont remove w00t cos thats only dm and spawnkilling

UNrealshots
06-05-2017, 06:04 AM
Thanks for the input shots.... we obviously made a mistake in trusting you.

K-os is not an admin here

...not worth it

deicide
06-05-2017, 08:54 AM
Why dont remove w00t cos thats only dm and spawnkilling

Remove a map because Kos can't stop laming?

|uK|fleecey
06-05-2017, 09:18 AM
Remove a map because Kos can't stop laming?

Honestly, keep one woot and remove the rest. We don't need like 4 of them but keep it because it's a popular map

K-os^
06-05-2017, 09:40 AM
Remove a map because Kos can't stop laming?

Don't speak when you don't know what you're talking about.

J.C. out.

|uK|ScReaM
06-05-2017, 10:11 AM
No cos its mroe 2v2 map not 6v6 . but i know many likes it but still its a bit small map for 6v6

Remove a map because Kos can't stop laming?

deicide
06-05-2017, 11:12 AM
Don't speak when you don't know what you're talking about.

J.C. out.

3 grabs on woot and you didn't lame? Right.

Zoko
06-05-2017, 11:38 AM
Putting up a high frag count doesnt necessarily mean laming, some people are better fraggers and thats it, live with the fact some people are better. Why dont you provide a demo of him laming instead of just assuming things, also i dont understand why people think ctf is all about grabs because it isnt, if someone is better than you the first thing that goes is accusing of dmin and laming. Why remove woot when people obviously like it, you have the option of voting if other people vote and you dont like the map than dont play. Simple, also the other version is 1 point per vote. I played against K-os 10 years ago and he was great back then, played a million woot games and i see no reason why he cant put that number, i ve hit 300+ once on a 60 hz monitor so i imagine if i upgrade to a better one i would come close to his results.

athje
06-05-2017, 11:55 AM
Kos should be banned so i Can be topscorer for once

K-os^
06-05-2017, 12:17 PM
Thought I removed the demo of me "laming", but I found it in le recycle bin :/

https://www.sendspace.com/file/61n65o

Here's another one:
https://www.sendspace.com/file/aaawbh

stats
http://www.unrealkillers.com/ukstats/?p=match&mid=114197

deicide
06-05-2017, 01:05 PM
Putting up a high frag count doesnt necessarily mean laming

And?


[...] also i dont understand why people think ctf is all about grabs because it isnt, if someone is better than you the first thing that goes is accusing of dmin and laming.

And the first thing lamers do is to claim that it's just because they are so much better than anyone else, right?
On a server where freelancing/ staying in the middle of the map or securing certain parts of it etc. isn't allowed and on a map, where defending is not allowed either (i.e. woot), grabs are a pretty good indicator of whether someone is laming or not.


I played against K-os 10 years ago and he was great back then

So did I - your point being what?

By the way, I don't care if he is banned or not; as far as I can tell he doesn't lame on maps other than woot (of course his stats usually aren't that exciting on other maps as a result).

Blackdeath
06-05-2017, 02:08 PM
Zoko i'm pretty sure that when you have 3 grabs and 300 frags at the end in a easy and open map for grabbing like woot it means you are playing dm, except in some rare cases. In that match with so unbalanced teams were no valid reasons to camp in base. Anyway this post is born for clarify the abnormal stats, not for ban a player for dming/laming

Zoko
06-05-2017, 02:38 PM
And the first thing lamers do is to claim that it's just because they are so much better than anyone else, right?
On a server where freelancing/ staying in the middle of the map or securing certain parts of it etc. isn't allowed and on a map, where defending is not allowed either (i.e. woot), grabs are a pretty good indicator of whether someone is laming or not.

First of all you didnt understand what i wanted to say, ctf isnt all about grabs meaning that there is much more ingame you can do for your team. People are different and some are better in one thing and one in another, if im a better fragger and im entering a base with another player i will rather let him grab so i can cover him, player with a flag is a target so we have a better chance of taking it if i hit better than him which is fucking logic deicide you need to decide you get it.so i have less grabs then some other players and i get this shit from people saying play ctf look at your grabs.People on woot going totaly brainless just going sideways and grabbing and dying and people saying wp nice grabs great player. There is a difference between laming and what im saying if u dont get its not my problem


So did I - your point being what?
Just pointed out that at that time he was a great player so after 10 years of playing this game its not odd that he is hitting that much which is what is bothering some of the people here

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Zoko i'm pretty sure that when you have 3 grabs and 300 frags at the end in a easy and open map for grabbing like woot it means you are playing dm, except in some rare cases. In that match with so unbalanced teams were no valid reasons to camp in base. Anyway this post is born for clarify the abnormal stats, not for ban a player for dming/laming

I wasnt trying to defend him,I agree with you that 300 frags and 3 grabs he was definitly laming, as far as the stats go i dont think he cheats but that only my opinion.

UT-Sniper-SJA94
06-05-2017, 03:09 PM
RIP UNrealshots the best admin the insta servers had.

SAM
06-05-2017, 06:12 PM
RIP UNrealshots the best admin the insta servers had.

Not sure if sarcasm or not but he chose to leave.

clankiller
06-05-2017, 11:51 PM
Thought I removed the demo of me "laming", but I found it in le recycle bin :/

https://www.sendspace.com/file/61n65o

Here's another one:
https://www.sendspace.com/file/aaawbh

stats
http://www.unrealkillers.com/ukstats/?p=match&mid=114197


i would hate to see the 379 kills in 16.38mins game, if that was a 300 game...

i dont have all my shots register like that when i play on LAN it must be nice to hit all needed shots. i see when you had a flag pickup you couldn't even manage a 180 turn and walk onto the jump pad, but hey you hit everything else.. no wonder only 3 flag grabs you fucking suck at carrying one..

CK..

K-os^
06-06-2017, 05:20 AM
Based on 1 moment on w00t means that I suck at carrying a flag? Right...
(still 3 caps tho, haters gonna hate :/)

But anyways we are getting offtopic here.
Am I getting banned for shooting too much (lol) or nah?

Blackdeath
06-06-2017, 08:15 AM
It would be interesting understand how you can spamming shots (in LAN in 1 minute you can't fire more than 58-59 shots, without ping) and maintain this accuracy. Maybe you're lucky and no suffer to: server lag, fire delay, delay to reborn, random packet loss etc.. Probably you have 144 hz + super hardware + good ISP + dming well in respawn points. Because the skill, "only skill", can't allow to have this results. Woot is a easy map, but the total frags and the tempted shots are too much unbalanced than standard. Obviously i'm not catching wow are idi as comparison

clankiller
06-06-2017, 11:01 PM
Based on 1 moment on w00t means that I suck at carrying a flag? Right...
(still 3 caps tho, haters gonna hate :/)

But anyways we are getting offtopic here.
Am I getting banned for shooting too much (lol) or nah?

i watched the whole game, and of the 3 flag grabs, 33% of the time you sucked at carrying a flag lol.. but you bounce well back and forth on the jump pads looking forward at all times so gg.

SAM
06-07-2017, 02:22 AM
I think the question that needs answering is the number of shots fired. Not the number of frags.

Bleh
06-07-2017, 08:27 PM
Thanks for the input shots.... we obviously made a mistake in trusting you.

K-os is not an admin here

Yes seems like you couldn't trust him to lie for you.
You have an administrator problem.
You have been told this repeatedly.
You have been shown this.
You do nothing about it.

Now players are going elsewhere.
Most won't come back.
And really we are fine with ditching you...
What do you have the others don't?
Killer-speed? Lmao

L0nEwolF
06-07-2017, 09:04 PM
he chose to leave. Thank god he was a shit admin.

athje
06-08-2017, 01:15 AM
Yes seems like you couldn't trust him to lie for you.
You have an administrator problem.
You have been told this repeatedly.
You have been shown this.
You do nothing about it.

Now players are going elsewhere.
Most won't come back.


And really we are fine with ditching you...
What do you have the others don't?
Killer-speed? Lmao

Cut the bs.
I think they all deserve credit for maintaining an old but Good game. Why Dont u go set up a server and pay for it and create a forum for it. Show Some respect or plz fuck off and go play Tetris

Bleh
06-08-2017, 01:27 AM
Cut the bs.
I think they all deserve credit for maintaining an old but Good game. Why Dont u go set up a server and pay for it and create a forum for it. Show Some respect or plz fuck off and go play Tetris

Well you're a dense one aren't you? I'm already out and most of the people I talk to in this game see it and are staying off the server too, the mod is on others. Do you still not understand? Do we need to get out the crayons?

athje
06-08-2017, 01:56 AM
Not worth another comment

SAM
06-08-2017, 02:15 AM
Well you're a dense one aren't you? I'm already out and most of the people I talk to in this game see it and are staying off the server too, the mod is on others. Do you still not understand? Do we need to get out the crayons?

It's a ten year + old game. Safe to assume playerbase is likely to diminish. Stop spamming the thread with off topic comments. We are trying to get to the bottom of # of shots fired.

|uK|B|aZe//.
06-08-2017, 08:13 AM
Yes seems like you couldn't trust him to lie for you.
You have an administrator problem.
You have been told this repeatedly.
You have been shown this.
You do nothing about it.

Now players are going elsewhere.
Most won't come back.
And really we are fine with ditching you...
What do you have the others don't?
Killer-speed? Lmao

come back to me when you can stop hiding behind a false name and making statements which clearly dont fit your persona

PK+
06-09-2017, 02:46 PM
And whats the actual time between shots in instagib? 1 sec?

Ive to say that when I used an software to overclock my cpu and then joined the game I got an overspeed gameplay like faster dodging and fireing but after 5 or 10 minutes ACE got me.
I was changeing from 2.8 to 3.1 but the software one just changed to voltage, when I got to do in bios I found taht I could take 3.3 ghz without change voltage with nothing in any game changed except fps

So i found that even with ace we can run the game overtime but some minutes only

I ever though that my fires got different timing bcs of my lag in comparison with other players that ever fired faster then me
Now i think its bcs of cpu somehow

I my gameplays the timer ended like 4 secunds before the server for example.

90% of this mensage is offtopic

abc
06-18-2017, 02:58 AM
Played with and against K-0S a number of times and never suspected him of anything.

|uK|riveN
09-23-2017, 06:36 PM
Hey, just had my sickest w00t game ever on uk server

http://www.unrealkillers.com/ukstats/?p=match&mid=119918

nowhere near k-os his fragcount tho :(

*edit 350-360 would've been possible but choked for like a minute

Blackdeath
09-24-2017, 07:06 AM
Hey, just had my sickest w00t game ever on uk server

http://www.unrealkillers.com/ukstats/?p=match&mid=119918

nowhere near k-os his fragcount tho :(

*edit 350-360 would've been possible but choked for like a minute




Kos

https://image.ibb.co/dLQWdk/Immagine3.jpg (https://imgbb.com/)




Riven

https://image.ibb.co/ejVQ4Q/Immagine.jpg (https://imgbb.com/)






So, in same time (15mins):

+44 frags

+72 tempted shots (more accuracy!)




gg :idk

|uK|Nordog
09-24-2017, 09:31 AM
Kos

https://image.ibb.co/dLQWdk/Immagine3.jpg (https://imgbb.com/)




Riven

https://image.ibb.co/ejVQ4Q/Immagine.jpg (https://imgbb.com/)






So, in same time (15mins):

+44 frags

+72 tempted shots (more accuracy!)




gg :idk

Riven played vs better players tho.