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snakeware
12-06-2018, 02:43 AM
Hey there, once again, this post is about a match that never happened, and it explains the reasons why it didnt, it is intended to expose what
kind of IST we're playing, before you read this post, please put yourself in my shoes so you can understand my actual rage

A bit of context.

Most of you know week 2 match fbi vs taf wasn't played, because we refused to play it after 2 of our main lineup players got banned without a valid reason from ist (skarn and skaarj), whether you think its justified or not, thats what happened, we simply didnt thought it was fair our team was handicapped for no reason so we decided no to play until the bans were lifted.

After this of course we asked FBI for a reschedule, which in the rules is stated that every team has the right to ONE reschedule in the whole league.
FBI started to deny every reschedule claim we made as according to them they just didnt had enough players or the time or didnt wanted to play 2 matches on a sunday
or couldnt play saturdays or whatever reason banny or fleece would create to not just play the match. As a fun fact, fleece actually asked for a reschedule before the match
claiming that ch34t wasnt going to make it on sunday, we rejected cause we knew they could always get one of their subs to play, as we did through all matches, so please explain
if you ask for a reschedule first how come you say you can't accept our reschedule just because you dont have time, huh?

The league kept going and TAF started to play better,we had hope of actually qualifying and started to see ourselves like a really solid team that could take the IST
even tho we were still pretty far behind on points cause of some unlucky stuff, we put ourselves together after a rough start.

We never lost hope on getting our match with FBI done since we thought we were finally going to play it someday, i mean we all have our lives and stuff but everyone can play an extra 1 or 2 hours
instead of playing a pug or public.

But here is what dissapoints me the most, banny or fleece never really intended to play the match, no matter the circustances or the efforts, they were just stalling all the time

I talked to dangerboy a few times asking if he wanted to play and what did he tought about the match, he will always answer:"ch34t and i want to play it of course"
i assumed then that fleece was getting talked into not playing it by banny and that humak just simply didnt give a fuck about it.

I'm just gonna post some pics, they talk by themselves

3758 So it was about that the whole time

3759 So you can play 3v5 vs WR, but cant even consider playing us

3760 Starting to sound like a mafia mob "it's all strategic", i bet it was strategic to get skarn and skaarj banned too, then claiming innocence

3761 sure bro, whatever

3762 tired, i understand (?)

3763 I guess you must be like really exhausted yet playing niven pub games till midnight

3764 This is something that really messes me up, the admin team, every team in IST had/has someone inside the admin
IST admins but taf, and they take the decisions over this, makes me wonder why we got so messed up and none really pushed onto fbi to stop stalling and play the match


At last i just want all of you to realize what kind of league you're playing and what kind of people you give league powers to, a league that we already know who's gonna win with a little help of whatever fishy shit shows up
,oh let me guess, now you're gonna get Matt banned before your match vs kfc right?. It really is just sad how much support berserk and i put on this league with the streams and always being on the matches on time going through hell to actually play, just to get fucked by bad rule enforcing and admins preferences.

if you ever wonder how corruption looks in a game, this is it,have a nice day

Banny
12-06-2018, 03:31 AM
Can't believe I am reading this lol. You want us to play the match without our top 5 and yet you didn't want to play with the team you had during week 2. Not to mention you played with the same Berserk, xnake, shiro, allan lineup every week. It was just janosik who was extra but hey what's the point of picking a team of 7 when you not gonna field them but anyway moving on to the "banny influencing fleece to not play the match", let me show you something, maybe could take some of that prejudice out of your mind.

Let's start with fleece getting talked into,

She nicely asks entire FBI team about their opinions. She could've just said no because she was the captain but some people don't lie that they "asked their entire team" when asked to reschedule earlier *cough cough*

https://i.imgur.com/bGp4MnY.png


Woah, fleece asking the entire team again and look at even danger's response "If we can ensure our top 5", but if it's coming from my mouth its stalling
https://i.imgur.com/yPNEnK6.png


Damn what's happening! fleece asking again? What a "biased, stalling, getting influenced by banny" captain she is, isn't it?
https://i.imgur.com/AsapVOV.png


And what was my answer all? Read it for yourself.
https://i.imgur.com/xe2w5T6.png


Oh :) the screenshots you obtained from berserk, please provide some more context so it's not half-baked
https://i.imgur.com/q8IWHAi.png

Humak left for idom match because of that which is why I gave that answer above but hey let's just sugarcoat things :)


Waait, more screenshots from the berserk convo which never made it here, ahaaan!
https://i.imgur.com/1DSDTMq.png
https://i.imgur.com/FTLUb5h.png


So much for stalling, lying right?


But wait for the best part,

This is from the official IST rules. Officially you guys couldn't field 5 players so case should've been closed but FBI did have some humanity to ask atleast 3 times with their team which date to play. This looks like "corruption" isn't it?
https://i.imgur.com/aM9KySH.png



Regarding the matt thingy, you are so naive when reasoning that you don't even know the whole scenario but hey you can always catch up with it your friend teddy on what's gonna happen and what's not and how much of it is a BIASED ADMIN decision.


Cheers!

Shiro
12-06-2018, 03:58 AM
true final is 2nd vs 3rd anyway lulw

DANGERBOY
12-06-2018, 05:33 AM
we rejected cause we knew they could always get one of their subs to play,
n1cc was out
creek is ALWAYS working on sundays
yes thats our subs, not avaible LUL
your team rejected because u "couldn't find a date to reschedule on" but now you could when you need it( i dont mean you snake)
after that i still wanted to play but not as much as before

RTG`
12-06-2018, 07:32 AM
All you have to do is look at banny's real concern. He doesn't wish to play, even if he is "trying" to. He only cares about getting in the first place in the dirtiest way possible with FF points and screwing over the rest of the teams. Be thankful you guys went to first place because of us.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/512299138776301591/520216549681004550/Screenshot_392.png

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/512299138776301591/520215175467630592/Screenshot_389.png

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/512299138776301591/520215164109193217/Screenshot_391.png

Spiderman
12-06-2018, 08:16 AM
Ban should not have effected IST, Ban should b only for Pugs at that time, not for IST matches. Or ban should b removed for that time (Match time). I see fault of Uncle SAM here as well, but ya fault of your team members also for acting like kids by spamming on discord as well as in server. Your team members already knew the scenario which was going on with ban, and in middle of tournament they should have moved securely rather than acting like that.
There may b separate discord and even servers if possible for IST matches. We all could contribute it to happen if Sam had no objection on it (but who knew that such ban things can go like that to effect IST). I know Moskva tried hard to make them unban at that time but Sam was not convinced much.
And ya ofc xnake if your team had 2 sub available, should have used them as you cant force any other team to reschedule and even they have provided the reason. I dont see any fault of FBI here.

snakeware
12-06-2018, 09:15 AM
Can't believe I am reading this lol. You want us to play the match without our top 5 and yet you didn't want to play with the team you had during week 2. Not to mention you played with the same Berserk, xnake, shiro, allan lineup every week. It was just janosik who was extra but hey what's the point of picking a team of 7 when you not gonna field them but anyway moving on to the "banny influencing fleece to not play the match", let me show you something, maybe could take some of that prejudice out of your mind.

Let's start with fleece getting talked into,

She nicely asks entire FBI team about their opinions. She could've just said no because she was the captain but some people don't lie that they "asked their entire team" when asked to reschedule earlier *cough cough*

https://i.imgur.com/bGp4MnY.png


Woah, fleece asking the entire team again and look at even danger's response "If we can ensure our top 5", but if it's coming from my mouth its stalling
https://i.imgur.com/yPNEnK6.png


Damn what's happening! fleece asking again? What a "biased, stalling, getting influenced by banny" captain she is, isn't it?
https://i.imgur.com/AsapVOV.png


And what was my answer all? Read it for yourself.
https://i.imgur.com/xe2w5T6.png


Oh :) the screenshots you obtained from berserk, please provide some more context so it's not half-baked
https://i.imgur.com/q8IWHAi.png

Humak left for idom match because of that which is why I gave that answer above but hey let's just sugarcoat things :)


Waait, more screenshots from the berserk convo which never made it here, ahaaan!
https://i.imgur.com/1DSDTMq.png
https://i.imgur.com/FTLUb5h.png


So much for stalling, lying right?


But wait for the best part,

This is from the official IST rules. Officially you guys couldn't field 5 players so case should've been closed but FBI did have some humanity to ask atleast 3 times with their team which date to play. This looks like "corruption" isn't it?
https://i.imgur.com/aM9KySH.png



Regarding the matt thingy, you are so naive when reasoning that you don't even know the whole scenario but hey you can always catch up with it your friend teddy on what's gonna happen and what's not and how much of it is a BIASED ADMIN decision.


Cheers!

you didnt seem to get the point that all, we fielded janosik to play several times but he himself admitted it wasnt a good thing if he played fue to lag, v and are you really telling us this when we played every match with allan!?, at that week it wasnt about playing with our top 5, it just was about not accepting a stupid ban that had nothing to do, one thing is not being able to put a top 5 because availability and ANOTHER different one is not being able just because our players got unfairly banned from servers (which was caused for a ban you orchestred), playing that game that week was like getting robbed then inviting the thief to hang out afterwards.

I just dont get why TAF is the one who loses the point, just because something special and unfair happened, special situations require special solutions and actions

- - - Updated - - -


Ban should not have effected IST, Ban should b only for Pugs at that time, not for IST matches. Or ban should b removed for that time (Match time). I see fault of Uncle SAM here as well, but ya fault of your team members also for acting like kids by spamming on discord as well as in server. Your team members already knew the scenario which was going on with ban, and in middle of tournament they should have moved securely rather than acting like that.
There may b separate discord and even servers if possible for IST matches. We all could contribute it to happen if Sam had no objection on it (but who knew that such ban things can go like that to effect IST). I know Moskva tried hard to make them unban at that time but Sam was not convinced much.
And ya ofc xnake if your team had 2 sub available, should have used them as you cant force any other team to reschedule and even they have provided the reason. I dont see any fault of FBI here.

Spiderman don't you see, you can force a team to reschedule
banny and fleece did that getting skarn and skaarj banned

RTG`
12-06-2018, 11:17 AM
Spiderman don't you see, you can force a team to reschedule
banny and fleece did that getting skarn and skaarj banned

No snake, it may look like it, but they had no influence over SAM's ban at all. I believe SAM acted on his own, thinking he is doing the right thing when he doesn't even know the full story (as always). What I think happened is that SAM himself saw the unavailability of cheat on FBI and decided to make an opportunity for reschedule to them. SAM had very weird and specific conditions, no one has ever been banned for so many days on pugs ever (except cheaters). Now all the sudden SAM bans them from the server so they don't specifically play the IST match, he even himself stated the idea for a reschedule on another date. If this isn't a planned sabotage, I don't know what is, It is pretty much clear. Yet again I want to mention the fact that nobody at this point was ever banned on the pug servers, let alone for so many days, if someone did something "wrong" they ban him on Discord so he wont pug.



So, just to further prove that SAM wanted to sabotage a reschedule for FBI, here is a short snippet of voice convo i managed to get. SAM was telling us to reschedule at the beginning.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YEIu8N7nhtQ


So long for "wanting to change" or "lets get a clean start" when you guys haven't even attempted to fix the mistakes of SAM's bans and Fleece's ban on Jigsaw, to trigger Skarn and Skaarj in the first place. I had hopes in yall, I wanted to fix things but you guys keep on rejecting any solutions.

Also that shit happened in 11th of November... 1 month has passed until now... 1 month.... are you telling me that you can't find a day for your best 5 lineup, when your best 5 lineup have played countless of pug nights until now? Also fleece, I want you to be honest with your answers about your availability, I don't want you to be incognito on discord and hide because of me when you play Niven publics till 5 AM.

|uK|Dem`
12-06-2018, 01:58 PM
The ist instead of bringing more players to the community is sadly making a lot of them quit the will to play :/

Krikor
12-06-2018, 04:49 PM
Kinda forced myself to stop after hearing sams answers to us when we were discussing that day. And yes, if I rarely played pugs, after IST is over if things are the same I probably wont play the little i still play both pugs and pub, theres no fun with these kind of things

Cella_V2
12-06-2018, 06:30 PM
Banny go fuck and kill yourself in that order, you`re really as retarded as you look :smile:. If it wasnt for your dumbass fucking bans we mightve actually had players to field since round 3. After SAM pretty much ended the tournament for us week 4 by one of his outplays on his server for his brother I couldnt care one bit for the tournament anymore since the whole tournament itself has been nothing but a shitshow. This is but a small amount of matters that happened during IST let alone the amount of malfunctions due to `server fixes` one day before tournament days and other stupid shit that came to play. I honestly dont even know why you were in the FWB server in the first place, nobody fucking likes you except for danger maybe. hope you guys drown in quarters for free along with OP.

SAM
12-06-2018, 07:27 PM
This is really interesting Cella. You really think I would do something so stupid, that could practically end my luxury life, just so you can lose a game? Grow a pair of balls you fucking pussy. You rage quit, admit it and be accountable for your actions, you stupid waste of space.

At everyone else, including berserk. Stop throwing around wild accusations. I really don't care about the league or who wins it and I don't care to sabotage it for the sake of or benefit of anybody. We were considering putting up a cash prize (out of our own pockets) but after I witnessed your behaviours, that certainly wasn't going to happen.

It's a shame that the ban happened but the behaviour of your players was unacceptable. The fact of the matter is, I gave them many chances but they chose to continue to escalate the matter, through their very own actions. They are not puppets, I did not force them to behave in this way.

I would just like to reinforce - that using our servers and resources are a privilege. If people abuse them, there are and have always been consequences to those. The admin and mod team have slacked on that a little, but I certainly do not.

I made it very clear, when I placed the ban, that this ban will affect IST, that I am not an IST admin however you can play the match elsewhere. I also made very clear that the players would not be unbanned and that once the ban has lifted the players were free to play. I gave plenty of notice - not that we or I have to. We provide services at our discretion.

If from that, the only option you chose, was to reschedule, then that was your decision. Not mine.

The only decision I am accountable for is banning players that abused our services. You are free to disagree but I am still confident I made the correct decision.

Spiderman
12-07-2018, 01:25 AM
It seems like very much of the things started with the kinda ban like muting jigsaw on discord which was removed after sometime. M asking why the hell u guys 1st did that ban and why removed after sometime, either stick with your decision or just unban all those who got banned with the effect of ban on jigsaw. no you guys say that Sam was not agree to unban them then do take time before muting or banning others for stupid reasons. What they say is -they spammed due to stupid ban on jigsaw and Sam did not responded or whaever. The 1st thing here is whenever any admins or mods do ban on players from pug also then at-least add proper reason with it , may b by making separate channel for it like #Bans (http://www.unrealkillers.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=Bans) or can b done via forums here, also for #Unban (http://www.unrealkillers.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=Unban) appeal kinda things , so what it means is that player can actually see that why that player got banned and that player or others can even do respond to that ban in that particular section rather than spamming. And Sam the thing you said earlier that other players should not involve in the bans of others is Wrong, why the hell others cant involve when your mods do stupid bans. Other players are not puppet to see calmly those kinda shit things, if its a community then all have that right to respond. There is also mistake of mods who banned Jigsaw at start and then unbanned him, till time skarn and skarj got their bans just because they spamed and reacted towards stupid kinda ban on jigsaw, i know jigsaw got banned for not using mic but that was also due to new pug bot which removed his tag after 1 match in which he tagged for "no mic". Admins and mods should think twice before banning players, you guys banned players for shity reasons ever. I dont have personal problems with admins or mods but the way they act is kinda stupid. But still nothing much improving which is shame and killing the things.

Cella_V2
12-07-2018, 07:07 AM
This is really interesting Cella. You really think I would do something so stupid, that could practically end my luxury life, just so you can lose a game? Grow a pair of balls you fucking pussy. You rage quit, admit it and be accountable for your actions, you stupid waste of space.

You actually think I give a single fuck about a desperation siege cup that was butchered from week 2, no thank you I wouldve captained if I did. You suddenly seem to have a lot of time on your hands regarding the servers and community, so I dont think its farfetched at all. Knowing what kind of person you are along with the enjoyment you have seeing other people 'fail' I wouldn't be too surprised if this was an action done by you.

Hope you dissapear from UT forever, thanks mr.nobody :-)

SAM
12-07-2018, 10:42 AM
It seems like very much of the things started with the kinda ban like muting jigsaw on discord which was removed after sometime. M asking why the hell u guys 1st did that ban and why removed after sometime, either stick with your decision or just unban all those who got banned with the effect of ban on jigsaw. no you guys say that Sam was not agree to unban them then do take time before muting or banning others for stupid reasons. What they say is -they spammed due to stupid ban on jigsaw and Sam did not responded or whaever. The 1st thing here is whenever any admins or mods do ban on players from pug also then at-least add proper reason with it , may b by making separate channel for it like #Bans (http://www.unrealkillers.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=Bans) or can b done via forums here, also for #Unban (http://www.unrealkillers.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=Unban) appeal kinda things , so what it means is that player can actually see that why that player got banned and that player or others can even do respond to that ban in that particular section rather than spamming. And Sam the thing you said earlier that other players should not involve in the bans of others is Wrong, why the hell others cant involve when your mods do stupid bans. Other players are not puppet to see calmly those kinda shit things, if its a community then all have that right to respond. There is also mistake of mods who banned Jigsaw at start and then unbanned him, till time skarn and skarj got their bans just because they spamed and reacted towards stupid kinda ban on jigsaw, i know jigsaw got banned for not using mic but that was also due to new pug bot which removed his tag after 1 match in which he tagged for "no mic". Admins and mods should think twice before banning players, you guys banned players for shity reasons ever. I dont have personal problems with admins or mods but the way they act is kinda stupid. But still nothing much improving which is shame and killing the things.

We discussed the detail in this thread (http://www.unrealkillers.com/showthread.php?8932-Thonk), didn't we. We've explained the reasoning and rationale behind it all. There's no point in going back over what happened.

Let's keep the thread on topic.

'Zac
12-07-2018, 05:22 PM
guys chill