What do you hate most of siege?

**Shotman** · 10-05-2013

Since there is a topic about the likes, how about the dislikes. This will hopefully help Higor see issues and try to get them fixed. Also please provide a brief explanation of why is it an issue or how can it be improve.

**Higor** · 10-05-2013

Pushed and need to think outside of the box? Too bad, your extra firepower is gone, build nukes and die to sniper camping your supplier.

Someone on your team made an extremely good tele? You have nothing to deal quick damage, make rocket cannons and watch them die to super protectors.

Need to get rid of that annoying defensive cluster between you and your goal? Mid won't help you anymore, build a nuke and die to a mine in front of said cluster.

Wanna fly your way to enemy base? Get shot down in less than a second, accuse of ZP bug and post on forum to increase web traffic for a couple of days.

Game starts and you want to leech the core? Watch as someone on the other team gets 10 kills in a row with a 25 ammo enforcer.

Simplex taking too long to end? Don't worry, it will take twice as long when I nerf the Translocator even more!

Let the monotony begin!

**|uK|kenneth** · 10-05-2013

lol

**'Zac** · 10-05-2013

Some of the rules and maps. Most of the rules are overlap each other and are not at all accurate ( like whether you hit the supplier with sup spam and if the core is getting attacked and if anyone was in the supplier and how many were in it the sup etc ). The maps need to many specifics ( the core cant be too open or too closed( fucking minicivil ) or too hard or too easy to get to, spawns need to be in a specific place, places for specific things, SPs, supplier, supercontainer, nukes/nukerooms, the base cant have a lot of entrances, 2 or 3 at most too many causes chaos, mid needs to have a unique placement) so yeah

**PNutButterSnake** · 10-05-2013

As for the game play:
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1) The apparent randomness of super boosters. I don't know what the deal is, but sometimes the same booster will throw you an extra 150 feet, even though your basic approach was virtually identical. Of course, you can dodge into them or whatever, but I'm talking about very carefully seeking to duplicate the same approach, yet getting WILDLY different results. Whatever the super booster is doing to interpret your initial velocity, it's scaling up the minuscule differences way too much somehow. Last night, on Black River, I built a SB from a side hill into the enemy base. When shooting in there, I steered myself to the same exact area (on top of their big house), and sometimes it would just take off some health as I landed. Other times, it would crater me. And there was nothing apparently different about the flight there at all (didn't slide into mountain wall or anything). Just so random.
2) Not really a Siege thing in particular, but I really wish we had two different hit sounds: one for hitting enemies, and another for when you boost your own team. That would really help a lot to reduce accidental boosting.
3) Nukes are virtually impossible to stop with most anything other than shock combos. Actually tested this one extensively in slow motion to confirm it, as well as in a leech game with another player (forgot who now). Even direct, head-on hits with minigun, etc, are almost always useless dud shots. Ever wonder why you can't shoot down nukes even if you did your due diligence and had great awareness and aim? It's not the lag per se since even on a local game in freaking slow motion it doesn't work. Funny thing is, I distinctly remember this working and did it *all the time* in UT in the old days. Not sure if it's a 436 problem or something.
4) I'm constantly dying from delayed splash damage to the enemy core hitting me in the face as I run up to it. Like, I'll shoot rockets or slime, THEN run toward it to place an rc, and die. Even though I've seen the splash hit before this. Grrrr.
5) Teles and their crazy rotations. Sometimes you have to re-enter the tele like 5 times from different ways before you come out on the other side in a way that isn't stupid. I assume that's the from the direction the person placing it was in while doing so?
6) Combos don't seem to do much damage. I guess it's all the shielding in Siege (?). Unless someone has take a lot of damage already, chances are that a well-placed seires of combos will simply result in your own death, instead of theirs, as they laugh right through it.

As for map design:
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1) Can't stand maps with vast vertical attack trajectories on the core. It seems like the best maps give a SLIGHT high ground advantage to the defense (think Orbital), whereas the worst maps have multiple ridiculously-hard-to-defend vertical entry points that are just plum awkward (think Neighbors, and also various November-inspired maps with high core tele possibilities). The reason I don't like such maps is that they are highly biased towards certain kinds of players who tend to have either very good connections and fast PCs (or possibly even that pay-for aimbot). They get a lot of RU early on, sneak into your base (or often, they are actually spotted but can't be killed), build a tele, and end the game early. This essential destroys the game for everyone else, eliminating most of the other aspects of Siege.
2) Tele spots that are virtually unassailable without a massive amount of coordinated effort from your team (which refuses to give it often) and/or nukes AND that are practically (or actually) in your base. Not really good design imo, especially because early in the game, you don't have nukes to use :P.

As for players:
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1) The "Elite" attitude of some players that think they are more important than everyone else and always seek to make the rules or whatever favor their particular style and their particular resources. That's more of a community thing in general. Been like that in UT in general for a few years. A special variety of this the Attacker-bias that some people have: that the game should be designed to favor attackers, that the rules should be designed to favor them, that the same actions taken by attackers vs. defenders get interpreted differently (for example, one player was spawn camping my team in Bathrooms at a distance early in the game, so I went up and took a SINGLE SHOT from the soap dish, and immediately he accuses me of camping). Another example is sniper-whores who disparage other weapons or maps that are better balanced for other weapons (or even all weapons). To me, all different kinds of playing styles are useful/interesting/valuable.
2) Many of these "elites" are good, no doubt, but the main reason they are untouchable is that they are literally untouchable due to incredibly choppiness in their movement. It's not their dodging skills that is the problem. It's the fact that the server can't seem to keep up with them and they chop about disappearing and reappearing elsewhere constantly. Or maybe they are using some other networking trick to accomplish this. Not sure. Then they nuke your core and you can't stop jack sh*t even if you see them a mile away, simply because of this. In UT CTF, I would regularly tele-frag players by sniping their tele discs in mid air. It wasn't easy, and it took a hell of a lot of focus, but it was incredibly satisfying to be able to do it when push came to shove. On the Siege server, I can barely ever hit jetpack fliers even though they are going significantly slower overall probably, and theoretically have a much bigger collision box. I wish we could just make their box bigger when using jetpack to compensate. Playing Clarion Ultimate with constant jetpacks that can't be touched is super annoying. Oh, and I doubt lag compensation will be a big help on the choppiness thing. It's more of a prediction problem (human brain can't predict correctly when the data coming in is garbage).

**UT-Sniper-SJA94** · 10-05-2013

The zp, shots not registering.
How over powered the minigun is.

**Higor** · 10-05-2013