dear americans o.o

**jacob88** · 09-27-2016

I hope Trump wins tbh, can't wait. I don't watch US politics cause it doesn't concern me nor do I care about USA. But these 2 clowns running for presidency is a farce.

**sumbich** · 09-30-2016

Originally Posted by Scourge

Trump chokes on specifics. He can talk about problems all day (offshoring, ISIS, Solyndra), but at the debate (what of it I could stand to watch) he couldn't give any solutions besides trickle-down and Drill Baby Drill, which we already knew. I have serious doubts this guy has a Presidential bone in his body.

If there were a viable option I'd take it over Clinton, but as pants-on-head as the paranoia over Trump may seem I think it's warranted. A fuck you to the establishment isn't worth it if it means the world is going to get turned upside-down today.

I miss Bernie.

Bernie was paid to stfu l ike a good bitch and he did so, even endorsing hillary on the way - so dont think any starry eyed notions about him that wouldnt ever have happened with prez bern like him actually doing anything against the banks, or actually doing anything to stop the war machine. he's the bitch of the central banks just like 99.99% of the rest of congress.

I think trump quasi threw that first debate just to not look like a nut.

Curious what defines "Presidential"...the ability to bend over and take orders from the bigwigs? To be politically correct and say what one's "supposed to?"

The central banks' intent is complete monetary control - clinton has proven herself to be the banksters' bitch also, the email trail leading right over to soros even. Her slush fund contains plenty of evidence.

Glo-ba-list.

Tray-Tor.

former cia director and prez ghwb says vote for hillary.
bush endoresement, koch endorsement, r establishment endorsement all for hillary....any more obvious its just 1 party?

**Scourge** · 09-30-2016

If you want to claim that the rich and powerful have their paws all over the election, I'm not going to disagree. For instance, it's funny to me that Clinton talked about failed policies the other night in the context of the housing crisis, because it was not tax-slashing as she name-dropped but deregulation that led up to it. I've seen no indication from her that she will keep her hand away from approving any such similar measures in the future as is plopped out of Congress, and the fact that she used smoke and mirrors on that topic is alarming.

Regarding some other points though - First, Bernie said even before the selection of a nominee that he would support whoever won in the name of party unity. He wasn't treated fairly, but without comprehensive evidence of electoral fraud (yes, I'm aware of the disenfranchisement, but that doesn't necessarily add up to a difference in who would have been selected) he is merely standing by his initial promise.

No, Bernie is not perfect, Bernie is not lord and savior. But I'd actually feel comfortable voting for him over these two clowns. He might not be able to upend the system but I doubt he personally would put his stamp on anything like the sort of shenanigans we've seen in the past decade and a half, unless he were under coercion.

I think trump quasi threw that first debate just to not look like a nut.

Curious what defines "Presidential"...the ability to bend over and take orders from the bigwigs? To be politically correct and say what one's "supposed to?"

I'm not gung ho to vote for a candidate that makes promises based on vague notions of what will be a successful policy. But enough about Clinton.

Trump has the same problem, but worse. When Trump isn't on stage lying about his tweets, exaggerating his success, divorcing himself from any sense of decorum, civility, or even coherence, or ranting about problems, he's proposing policies he barely touches on that won't solve those problems (tariffs, tax cuts, deregulation). This is to say nothing of his most infamous proposals, but those are less relevant to what were talked about in the first segment of the debate.

You think Clinton is going to let the banks have free reign, and not Trump? Please tell me you don't seriously believe that.

**Higor** · 09-30-2016

Well then, we'll openly welcome you to the Third World Country club.
This is what your BLM pandering hero wanted.

Pick up a history book and learn something about Bolsheviks, the amount of parallels is incredible.
By association you can guess what the next step would have been.
We've experienced that shit here over forty years ago, might as well study what happened here.
Learn some history and don't make the same mistakes of past generations.

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And now, for your daily dose of demoralization.
College students are racking up in debt to get through this shit. So much for "educated voters".

**Scourge** · 09-30-2016

Hey, I don't need a full-on Communist Revolution here, I just want someone in office who's actually going to give a shit about someone other than themselves, who cares about the Constitution and civil liberties, who won't take us to war, and who actually wants to do something about the slow global destruction of a livable environment. And who, might I add, isn't a pathological liar. Like I said, Bernie's not perfect, but he definitely would have beat the hell out of the other options on the table on all of these fronts.

To put part of that another way, it's not that I think socialism should supplant the system we have here, rather that leaving big business and its connection to the government wholly unchecked has done much to hurt average Americans. I have a problem with the "crony" part of "crony capitalism," not with the "capitalism" part.

Anyway, on BLM (not sure where that came from) I'm also not going to deny that BLM as a movement was never properly led or expressed. And nobody disagrees that intraracial violence is a serious problem. However and this is where we might disagree, racially disproportionate policing/profiling is also a separate, serious problem that needs to be addressed.

**sumbich** · 10-03-2016

Originally Posted by Scourge

but without comprehensive evidence of electoral fraud (yes, I'm aware of the disenfranchisement, but that doesn't necessarily add up to a difference in who would have been selected) he is merely standing by his initial promise.

kite. plane. must. hit. steel.

nah, that doesnt indicate anything at all

another one that gets his economic assessment from....oh please tell us which msm outlet it is

my jury's out on trump, but at least he's hinted that he knows counterfeiting is a problem, especially when its legalized

and

http://www.aei.org/publication/how-c...lass-steagall/

**sumbich** · 10-05-2016

I'm still chuckling at the "but without comprehensive evidence of electoral fraud" *facepalm*

so....hillary has to go on national tv and admit the DNC defrauded bernie before it'll be widely believed?

**Scourge** · 10-05-2016

There are two questions you'd have to ask in Bernie's position:

- How much fuckery and bias can we prove - does it come anywhere near the level of four million votes?
- Does the level of fuckery we can rigorously prove justify potentially dividing the left against Trump in an FPTP system?

I don't think it's as simple as "How much money do I require to shut up about this".

**|uK|Rays** · 10-05-2016

Part of me liked watching Hillary struggle with Bernie's popularity, but I couldn't stand that socialist fuck's politics and he had by far the worst supporters with all the FREE COLLEGE LEGALIZE WEED DUDE LMAO fags. Hillary's die-hards are pretty bad too but I can take solace in that most of them are lonely cat ladies.

It really is simple brah, Bernie was spineless and cucked for Hillary. He had a huge following and Hillary is still trying to get a fraction of that following on her side. There were kids in tears as it happened and it was delicious:

It's amazing how hard the left has won the culture war, they pump out insults and misinformation about Trump 24/7 in every media outlet. I wonder what it would have looked like if the right hadn't become vastly neoconservative and was more firmly nationalist.

**Higor** · 10-05-2016

College is free here in Uruguay, a big chunk of our doctors and god knows how many other graduates end up emigrating to other countries.
When our (which is leftist lol) government makes a budget cut on the public college system, everyone loses their minds.
There's so many ppl convinced that they're entitled to this, entitled to that, etc. And everyone forgets it's the taxpayers that's paying for college degrees that end up leaving the country.

In the case of US is the government loans and the lack of actual jobs, but the bottom line is the same: taxpayers are paying for college degrees that aren't being put into use.
Let's take a look at the entitlement part of this collective mental illness a bit closer:

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