Banned for supposed toggling

[TimTim]

Let me edit my post:

I haven't received a single useful private message from you.

Any idiot with half a brain knows after 15 years that cheats should never be within UT's directories, and even if they were, only a complete idiot would offer up their files and send the cheats along with them. Did you think offering your files was in any way evidence of your innocence? On the contrary, I see this act as evidence of the opposite. Diversionary tactics like you're using right now are pretty classic.

[|uK|B|aZe//.]

im done talking on this thread, you're banned goodbye.

[InfraRed]

This was minutes after I posted, seeing as you've tried taking ut folders from other players that are reluctant to hand them over, I tried to give you mine immediately and you didn't want it. I'm trying everything I can to tell you you're wrong, trying things to help but you don't want it. I didn't cheat and it doesn't matter what proof I have or anything else. Your ACC story is funny because out of the 99 kills, 26 were supahman kru and he was standing still, straight line chasing and following me. I think you may have some sort of bias against me. I've proven my point. If your key logger is working correctly, show me where it says I pressed the up key to move my ut character around and all the other keys I pressed to move. If it shows that, it will show my mousewheel was just spinning around too. Shouldn't be too hard to post that whole line, or conveniently for you it doesn't take into account movement keys or any button pressed before firing. So it's hard to prove my case, since you only want to present your facts and selected story. I already disproved that you didn't pm me back in this case. Now you can edit your post. I'm not the one lying on any of this but you're becoming more and more questionable to me and how you don't want any proof because you are the one who seems to be with holding information. I also know you've been trying to ban me for some time. I have a screenshot in my folder of you calling me a cheat in December 2013, along with numerous bans of 2-3 matches that you would give me so you could finish your night out without playing against me. You ban people because you lose in matches, Obs would be one of them I know there has to be others. Are you really capable of being any sort of admin without pulling bs moves and bias attitude on players? I never even respond to your tirades you throw in games. You always cry and accuse. Just one of the Screenshots I have of you, I didn't even reply.

@B|aze I would have left the conversation too after I dispelled your theory too.

[|uK|B|aZe//.]

look all you've done is prove that there is a freescroll option on your mouse which you coincidentally happened to know nothing about until someone else posted about having the same problem with a fix. you then posted several videos trying to recreate what was described but the funniest part is that having fire bounded to mousewheel up is not the way toggling is done. A usual persons crosshair stops at a player not at the end of the said players hitbox which lets say for arguements sake is 0.5mm away from the player, every demo I have watched of you, your crosshair is always moving towards the end of the hitbox before firing, you always seem to move your crosshair from one side of the target (beginning) to the end of it before firing right near to the end of the actual hitbox. The chances of doing that consistently is highly unlikely as the human eye to hand co-ordination is based on what you see is what you react to and shoot at. Yes its likely that you can occasionally do the above combined with player movement and mouse movement but its never going to be as consistently as how your behaviour is in movement.

lastly you havent dispelled any of my theory, I know what im talking about whereas you dont and you prove that by binding fire to mousewheel up to try and "disprove" the "theory"

have mousewheel up and down activate and deactivate the trigger and I might start believing you

[TimTim]

If your key logger is working correctly, show me where it says I pressed the up key to move my ut character around and all the other keys I pressed to move.

The keylogger intentionally ignores movement binds because they get pressed so often that it would fill the log with thousands of lines of useless data.

You're welcome to keep playing dumb and pretending that the evidence against you is incomplete and you can keep pretending that you've somehow magically disproved the implications of the evidence. That's yet another diversionary tactic or at the very least, it makes you look like an idiot to anyone with above average intelligence. It's clear by now that you need to take a class or two on logic. When you're able to logically refute the evidence presented against you, I will gladly unban you. But so far, you've done nothing but spew a bunch of bullshit, provide completely useless videos, and make outrageous emotionally fueled statements.

Here, I'll even help you with your argument and outline your logical fallacies:
https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/strawman
https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/false-cause
https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/appeal-to-emotion
https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/the-fallacy-fallacy
https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/ad-hominem
https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/tu-quoque
https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/personal-incredulity
https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/loaded-question
https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/burden-of-proof
https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/bandwagon
https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/composition-division
https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/black-or-white
https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/begging-the-question
https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/anecdotal
https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/the-texas-sharpshooter

Holy shit... I ended up finding more logical fallacies in your arguments than I intended.

[Chamberly]

Watching the video is nothing but boring repeating movement like you are playing bunny track and not a real game lol. zzzzzzzzzzzz failvid.

[InfraRed]

You can post whatever you like, say whatever you will, I've proven that when you've said you've done dozens of test theories and you've never produced a false one is a bold face lie. I proved that you said I didn't pm you, when I did. Then you edited it, that was a lie. You've told someone you've never banned anyone because they can kill you for a few matches, that is a lie. I don't need to prove anything else other than you are a liar. Those aren't illogical fallacies. I could show you a lemon, it would be a lemon and you can say it's an orange. I don't need any internet meme's to prove my point, besides look in the mirror TimTim, you're doing quite a few of those yourself. It's also funny how you can swing the evidence to only support what you want, without showing other binds like movement and such. That's okay, because people should trust that you wouldn't lie about anything right? Go through my posts, find where I've lied about anything that I've ever posted on this site and come back and talk to me. Till then, you're just someone who doesn't tell the truth, bends facts to his personal liking without showing any other keys logged or anything else.

Firstly, I've embedded a keylogger into Newnet that allows me to see every key press/release and every mouse press/release as they happen

If you didn't bind movement keys, and it is a key press then you lied again.

@B|aze you have watched a ton of videos on me? I have quite a few demos or could make a few but it doesn't really matter. I'm the only one that gets constantly recorded, of course there will be a few instances of that. "have mousewheel up and down activate and deactivate the trigger and I might start believing you." What exactly do you mean? Like set my fire to scroll down and somehow cancel it out with mouse wheel up?

[TimTim]

You're doing it again.

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/ad-hominem
https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/tu-quoque
https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/false-cause
https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/personal-incredulity
https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/anecdotal

You have not yet provided a rational and reasonably logical argument.

This is how it's done. Take note:

I'll elaborate: let's assume that you were fat fingering your clicks and that was the cause of you pressing mousewheeldown. The logs show that you actually pressed mousewheeldown an entire second before you fired, so there is no way for that assumption to be true, as you've claimed. And as you've shown in your videos, you have to intentionally use your mousewheel first before it goes in the opposite direction, which it only seems to do in the upward direction.

Lastly, if your mouse does a free spin like you claim it does, that direction would be triggered at least a few times in a row in a single direction, but it never does this. It always goes down once, then the shot is fired, then it goes back up once. Do you know why the free spin helps people with bunny hopping? It's because the mousewheel sends the command hundreds of times within a second or two. Yours only gets triggered once each time in opposite directions, an entire second before and after you clicking.

[InfraRed]

How hard is it to believe in free scrolling, that when you press the left click in that doesn't slightly rotate the mouse wheel? If it doesn't take much pressure in moving it, then why couldn't it cause it? Couldn't my finger have grazed the mouse wheel when I went to fire and caused all of this? I have never cheated and will defend it adamantly. My video was shown that yes intentionally touching the mouse wheel will set this off because I'm recording the video myself. I can't play and try to shoot normally with my left trigger and record without one hand holding the phone. "if your mouse does a free spin like you claim it does, that direction would be triggered at least a few times in a row in a single direction".. I've said it and I've said it again, it did do this and why I've said I don't believe it when you said it didn't show it in your log. For some reason it's only showing up when I shoot and that is not how this mouse works at all, it does it the whole time. It's why it's hard to believe in that 3 minutes that you ran the ini thing that it ONLY happened when I shot, which I don't believe! If it doesn't show even your up down arrow presses why would it show my mouse wheel spinning when I'm traveling through the map? That's what I'm having a hard time with. I can only tell you what happens when I play and I've told you what could have caused it.

[TimTim]

How hard is it to believe in free scrolling, that when you press the left click in that doesn't slightly rotate the mouse wheel? If it doesn't take much pressure in moving it, then why couldn't it cause it? Couldn't my finger have grazed the mouse wheel when I went to fire and caused all of this?

Again: https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/personal-incredulity

How hard is it to understand that if this were true, then the mousewheel and fire events would have happened almost simultaneously. But they didn't. There was an entire second between your mousewheel event and the fire event.

What matters is what the log says and whether or not you can refute it. So far, with your dozens of posts, you have not yet refuted it at all. Why can't you refute it? And why do you have to use logical fallacies over and over within your argument? Because you're cheating, as the real tangible evidence combined with real logic has deduced. It's understandable that you'd try to defend yourself for this long. Cheaters have a strong tendency to link their egos and reputation with their artificial "skills". It's why people cheat to begin with. Cheaters hate to lose. So my suggestion to you is to either accept that you've been caught or use actual logic to prove that you aren't a cheater.

I have more important things to attend to, so I'm finished replying to this thread. But I will read and consider any replies that could disprove the log's sequence of events and their implications, no matter how incredibly unlikely it will be that you or anyone is able to produce such a counterargument.