Banned for supposed toggling

**|uK|kenneth** · 04-23-2014

Originally Posted by Chamberly

Just lock thread. Noobs don't make any sense. Aye!

+1

**InfraRed** · 04-23-2014

Agreed about locking the thread. Unban on US Instagib server please

**anand** · 04-23-2014

Originally Posted by InfraRed

Agreed about locking the thread. Unban on US Instagib server please

I don't think that was a smart choice of wording there kid. Just stay banned and go play on a new server. UK doesn't tolerate cheaters, and liars.

**InfraRed** · 04-23-2014

Originally Posted by anand

I don't think that was a smart choice of wording there kid. Just stay banned and go play on a new server. UK doesn't tolerate cheaters, and liars.

Good thing I'm neither. Nice to see you're back to talk smack with your grand total of 3 posts just in this thread.

**InfraRed** · 04-24-2014

@TimTim

07:52: Pressed MouseWheelDown=
07:52: Released MouseWheelDown=
07:52: Pressed LeftMouse=Fire
07:52: Tracing shot...
07:52: Traced to �*SuPa)-()V(aN*[KRU]; hit -791.130310,-350.780670,-195.054886; start 803.076538,-376.460327,-193.220810; end -99183.882813,1234.140015,-308.251862
07:52: Tracing shot...
07:52: Traced to �*SuPa)-()V(aN*[KRU]; hit -794.570984,-350.725250,-195.058853; start 803.076538,-376.460327,-193.220810; end -99183.882813,1234.140015,-308.251862
07:52: Did not hit the edge of hitbox.
07:52: So far 0% of their shots hit the edge. (0 of 1 hits)
07:52: Dealt 1500 damage to CTF-Ancient-IG.OOO0OOOOO000O7 (�*SuPa)-()V(aN*[KRU])
07:51: Pressed MouseWheelUp=
07:51: Released MouseWheelUp=

07:29: Pressed MouseWheelDown=
07:29: Released MouseWheelDown=
07:28: Pressed LeftMouse=Fire
07:28: Tracing shot...
07:28: Traced to L@gGy-Y@gGy; hit 635.764832,1190.593140,-202.322128; start 341.609131,1070.859131,-288.770630; end 89710.945313,37448.023438,25975.705078
07:28: Tracing shot...
07:28: Traced to CTF-Ancient-IG.LevelInfo0; hit 767.553162,1244.236694,-163.591263; start 341.609131,1070.859131,-288.770630; end 89710.945313,37448.023438,25975.705078
07:28: Hit the edge of hitbox.
07:28: So far 20% of their shots hit the edge. (1 of 5 hits)
07:28: Dealt 1500 damage to CTF-Ancient-IG.OOO0OOOOO000O10 (L@gGy-Y@gGy)
07:28: Pressed MouseWheelUp=
07:28: Released MouseWheelUp=

In these two instances posted by your log, it shows I did not release my fire key prior to my mouse wheel up triggering. If I was intentionally pressing my mouse wheel down and then fire, then mouse wheel up, in these two instances why didn't I release my left click to fire to reach for the mouse wheel up with my index finger? Unless you think I would scroll up with my middle finger while still latching on to my left click fire button?? Who does that?? That doesn't even seem logical. There is proof right there that my mouse wheel was scrolling up on it's own because no one in there right mind would hold on to the left click and scroll mouse wheel up without their index finger if they were doing this on purpose.. just doesn't make sense

**InfraRed** · 04-24-2014

1. your logs do not lie. Those sequences shown happened, but how they happened is debatable. I've asked to see the whole log from the time you started logging. It's been over a week now, you never produced it and have shown a cherry picked data cluster that you deemed the only relevant part. How is one to know that kills 1-18 aren't significant and possibly show any other mouse wheel down/up in the said time frame if you can't produce the whole log leading up to where you kicked me. On the contrary, producing the whole log would only help your claim by factually showing I only pressed said mouse wheel up and down only when shooting, not producing this seems like a diversionary tactic from the start. You can still produce this by showing the whole log, but until it becomes all of the kills (1-18) it is a hand picked data cluster. (Yes I now know it isn't going to show movement binds..)

2. you posted this as a fact, when it wasn't "For clarification, I've used this on dozens of players and tested it in controlled environments, and there have never been any errors - not even with a broken keyboard or mouse or those who have removed the "notches" from their mousewheel to scroll faster". This was a underhanded way of trying to force people into thinking that these logs could have been produced ONLY the way you presented, when in actuality there are a number of ways to have accidentally ran across them but only under certain circumstances. First you would have to produce a mouse capable of self triggering the mouse wheel, while in one of my videos it shows I deliberately touched the mouse wheel in one way and then the mouse goes back in the up direction. That would show that my mouse is already buggy, there could be a chance that it produced the mouse wheel triggering by shaking the mouse without touching the wheel but I haven't shown that yet. I have produced this in hard 180 turns, where the mouse wheel will trigger itself for some reason.

3. in my last video there is a delay in time from hitting my mouse wheel down until it triggers my mouse wheel up. Sometimes it happens within a second, sometimes up to two whole seconds afterwards. Video proof of that is in my 3rd video. To think that last log couldn't be produced by accident because of the time frame would be null, seeing as it triggers randomly like in my video.

4. 2 of your 4 instances I never released my left trigger button when the mouse wheel up happened? Why is that significant? The way you present your case, I mouse wheel down -> fire-> mouse wheel up. Now if I were to be toggling, I would have developed a solid method by now atleast. Why wouldn't I have released my left click to press the mouse wheel up in such a fluid motion like you present? Unless of course my mouse wheel was doing this on it's own and can and would be going off by itself when I clicked like I claimed from the start.

I think these instances would be enough to cast reasonable doubt of a toggle and doing these things on purpose.

There is no solid evidence that I did anything on purpose, your claim is purely speculation and you have nothing to prove what you are trying to claim except my mouse is buggy when it is in free scrolling mode and it produced the logs. I am requesting an unban and you can discuss it in the moderator/admin section if you feel you need to. This ban is purely on speculation only. There is no proof.. at all

**DontWorryBeHappy** · 04-24-2014

I don't really understand all that technical mumbo-jumbo but I suppose InfraRed wouldn't spend several hours compiling his defense speeches unless there was something to it. I mean, all you've got is circumstantial evidence at best.

I don't know this guy and I don't play IG very often.

It's just that "banning on suspicion" doesn't cut it. Prove that InfraRed is lying or calm the fuck down.

**Cannabis** · 04-25-2014

**Waa** · 05-27-2014

Only read two pages, maybe 3...
Look at the key logger (No idea why Epic Games or the players ALLOWED this in servers.. Could be used to copy players personal Usernames/Passwords.. shut down xxx amount of time after UT closes)
Anyways....
The mouse wheel up and down are always in PAIRS.. That's not toggling, that`s a mouse bug...... Don't know if anyone pointed that out but, that's clearly the case here..

Second.... Murder.....
You cheat.. plenty of logs on 44oz ^_^ and what piss's me off about you is.. I draft you in the demo fantasy, THINKING you would cheat........
Instead, I get the 25% eff Murder... Sadfaces for days man

**TimTim** · 05-29-2014

Originally Posted by Waa

Look at the key logger (No idea why Epic Games or the players ALLOWED this in servers.. Could be used to copy players personal Usernames/Passwords.. shut down xxx amount of time after UT closes)

False. I'll quote something I said about it elsewhere:

For the record, the action logger is only able to function within UT, so it's impossible for any of your personal or private information to be logged. When you play the game, you're constantly sending signals from your keyboard and mouse to the engine. The engine takes this input and turns it into your movement, firing, etc. Only these signals were logged. And the logging can only be activated with a special console command. That's all I'm saying on the matter.

I should note that your game has to be in focus (i.e., you're playing it). So if you tabbed out of the game and began typing in some other window (e.g., signing into bank account or something), it can't log anything. I would never do anything that could potentially compromise your personal data.

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